After Mr. Yangming heard Ye Feng's words, "Zhuangzi's words are nonsense! Bullshit!", he was like a thunderbolt. He froze there and did not react for a long time. Because he could probably guess that Ye Feng did not agree with Zhuangzi's words, but he never expected that this was not the level of agreement or disagreement.
Mr. Yangming had reason to believe that if Zhuangzi was resurrected and stood by his side, then Zhuangzi's fate would be no better than his own at this moment, and Zhuangzi would not be able to escape a severe beating from the little friend in front of him. Could it be that my kid always behaves so cruelly and aggressively towards opponents with different thoughts and ideas?
After an unknown amount of time, Mr. Yang Ming bowed his hands to Ye Feng and said calmly: "I would like to hear the details."
Ye Feng also bowed his hands to Mr. Yangming as a return gesture. However, Ye Feng's polite behavior made Mr. Yangming a little uncomfortable with it.
Ye Feng said: "First of all, I want to explain that Mr. Yangming, the core of your and Zhuangzi's thoughts is idealism, while I am a materialist. In my opinion, Zhuangzi's biggest mistake is that he believes that consciousness determines matter. , this is the essence of idealism, and I think it is matter that determines consciousness. On this point, Zhuangzi, I, and you have a decisive disagreement."
"Zhuangzi believes that if there is no so-called morality of benevolence and righteousness, and everyone lives according to the Tao, and the world is in order, there will be no 'big thieves', and naturally there will be no need for saints.
"But I think that regardless of whether there are saints who flaunt morality, those so-called 'immoral' behaviors will still exist. It's just that without Confucianism flaunting morality, people will only name those behaviors as 'bad behavior'. What Confucians do is just These bad behaviors are named and subdivided to facilitate the identification of future generations. These bad behaviors do not exist because they have names, but they have names after they exist.
"In fact, there are too many things that have existed since ancient times without names. Let's take the thing that Zhuangzi should be most familiar with - 'Tao'. To put it bluntly, Tao is the natural law of the operation of the heaven, earth and universe. It originally has no name. The third paragraph of Laozi's "Tao Te Ching" says, "I don't know its name, so I call it Tao." That's why Laozi said, "Tao can be taught, but it is not Tao; it can be named, but it is not named." Even Tao is not worthy of a complete description. Such a thing, such a powerful thing, can you think that it does not exist? Can you think that it did not exist before Lao Tzu said the word "Tao"? Can you say that it is because Lao Tzu gave it "Tao" This name, is that why it exists?
"The reason why Laozi named it 'Tao' is just to let future generations realize the existence of the rules of the heaven, earth and universe. So it can only be said that Zhuangzi was not thoughtful and knowledgeable in this aspect.
"Back to morality and immorality, these 'bad behaviors' are ugliness hidden in the darkness. Confucianism only raises the moral candle to reveal these ugliness. From Zhuangzi's perspective, he believes that ugliness is not It is not ugly if it is discovered, so he proposed that people are neither saints nor evil people, believing that people are neither good nor evil. This is similar to Mr. Yangming's idea of being neither good nor evil, but in my opinion, it is basically the same. A leaf blocks your eyes and deceives your ears. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. So Zhuangzi's idea is:
If you can't see it, you think it doesn't exist. Therefore, it is foolish to think that there is no good or evil in the human heart!
For this reason, it is a coward to blame the Confucian benevolence and morality that illuminates the ugliness in the darkness!
"Here I put forward my point of view, which is that these 'immoral' behaviors stem from human nature. As long as there are people in the world, human nature must exist, so 'immoral' behaviors have existed since ancient times. Zhuangzi believes that human nature is natural and has neither good nor evil. He cannot explain the logical problem of why human nature, which is neither good nor evil, can produce ugliness, so he can only attribute it to external things. This point will be discussed below. But I am different. I believe that human nature is intertwined with good and evil. This is human nature. The starting point of my thinking is that human nature is inherently evil and seeks advantages and avoids disadvantages. This can perfectly explain this. a little
"Zhuangzi believes that it is the existence of the gap between rich and poor that makes people greedy, but using the reverse principle of logical reasoning, that is, if there is no gap between rich and poor, then people will not be greedy? This is obvious It is an erroneous conclusion against human nature. The correct statement is that the existence of the gap between the rich and the poor exposes the greed in people's hearts. Because human nature is inherently evil, seeking benefits and avoiding harm, and seeking benefits is greed. And there is no good or evil. The true nature of the heart cannot generate greed, so Zhuangzi can only blame the external gap between rich and poor.
"In the same way, if there is no distinction between high and low, wouldn't people discriminate? Human nature is selfish, so even if there is no distinction between high and low, he will still want to highlight his individual uniqueness and prove that he once existed in this world. In order not to annihilate everyone , one of the resulting manifestations is discrimination against others, which is something engraved on the human nature of the human heart and belongs to the unconscious instinct.
"The petty thieves and the big thieves can better explain it. They steal things and the country because of the selfish nature of people's hearts. Stealing morality is just to avoid harm and use moral and normative systems to protect themselves. It is to avoid harm.
"And the above pursuit of benefits and avoidance of harm are unified with the original "evil" of the human heart.
"As for 'filial piety', I have never heard of someone giving up filial piety because they can't compare with others. It's not because comparison is common. There are filial sons and unfilial sons. The most common thing I hear is 'There are no filial sons in bed after a long illness. '. This is also caused by the inherent evil and selfishness of people's hearts. It's just the objective reality that the evil that exists in people's hearts has a chance to show up. That's why they chose to be unfilial and become thieves. This leads to a lose-lose situation. .So Zhuangzi’s example is simply nonsense.
"Zhuangzi also used crows to feed back their babies and lambs to kneel to breastfeed, which is even more ridiculous. Animals are animals, and humans are humans. The biggest difference between humans and animals is that animals cannot act against their own instincts, but humans can. Go against your own biological instincts and make behaviors that are in line with your own human nature. Simply put, animals have no choice, but humans have choices, and this choice is where morality is demonstrated. This choice stems from the human heart and human nature. This is the most important difference between humans and animals
"Crows and lambs do not have the ability to choose to be "unfilial", but people can choose to be filial or unfilial. Therefore, using animals like crows and lambs that have no choice to make analogies to demonstrate human behavior is an inherently flawed analogy, and it is simply the contemporary stupidity of calling a deer a horse. Do you think this behavior is ridiculous?
"So I say what Zhuangzi said is nonsense and doesn't make sense. Am I wrong?"
