Fan Wencheng's words directly made Qian Qianyi laugh.
It is true that Jiubian was used to defend against the Mongols, but it could also defend against the Qing Dynasty.
The Ming Dynasty needed to cooperate with the Qing Dynasty to deal with the Tiger Flag, but it did not mean that the Qing Dynasty was not the enemy of the Ming Dynasty.
As long as the tiger-character flag is resolved, Qian Qianyi can guarantee that the Ming and Qing Dynasties will immediately become rivals again, and the Qing Dynasty will also find a way to replace the tiger-character flag and attack the Ming Dynasty.
"This cabinet cannot agree to the conditions mentioned by Mr. Fan. If Mr. Fan still insists on this condition, then the Ming Dynasty would rather not join forces with the Qing Dynasty." Qian Qianyi shook his head again.
Unless the Ming Dynasty intends to stay in a corner forever and never regain the northern provinces, it will never be impossible to give up the important towns on the nine sides to outsiders.
"It's such a pity." Fan Wencheng said with regret on his face, "If the Ming Dynasty was willing to give up the Nine Borders, the Qing Dynasty would naturally send troops to help the Ming Dynasty wipe out the tiger bandit forces in the northern provinces, but the Ming Dynasty insisted on keeping the Nine Borders. side, then the Qing Dynasty can only deal with the tiger bandits on the Liaodong Peninsula, and as for the army of tiger bandits in other places, it can only be left to the Ming Dynasty to deal with it."
Qian Qianyi frowned upon hearing this.
At this time, Gao Hongtu on the side said: "Since we plan to form an alliance to deal with the tiger bandits together, naturally both families have to contribute. Only the Daming family can contribute, while the other family is observing from the shore."
"What Gao Shilang said is wrong." Fan Wencheng turned to look at Gao Hongtu and said, "The Ming Dynasty wants to keep all the benefits for itself. The cooperation between the two families will naturally only sweep the snow in front of their own homes. The tigers in my territory of the Qing Dynasty The thieves' forces are concentrated in the Liaodong Peninsula, so naturally it is enough to send troops to recapture the Liaodong Peninsula, and the problems in the Ming Dynasty's territory naturally have to be solved by the Ming Dynasty itself."
After hearing this, Gao Hongtu shook his head and said: "Mr. Fan is wrong. The cooperation between the two families is to get rid of the tiger thieves. If the tiger thieves are not eliminated for a day, it will be of no benefit to both families, so we can't just focus on For my own sake, only by solving the tiger thief together can the goal of the cooperation between the two companies be fulfilled."
"That's right. How can one family just want to take advantage while watching the other family suffer a loss?" Qu Shishu said in a helpful tone.
Although Qian Qianyi didn't speak, he obviously meant the same thing.
Fan Wencheng shook his head and said: "Such cooperation would be too unfair to the Qing Dynasty. Several provinces in the Ming Dynasty fell into the hands of tiger thieves. I, the Qing Dynasty, entered the customs to help the Ming Dynasty deal with the tiger thieves, but in the end Nothing was obtained. If the Ming Dynasty had such cooperation, it would be impossible for the Qing Dynasty to agree to it."
"It is impossible to give up the Nine Borders to you, otherwise even if we take back the northern provinces, it will be meaningless to the Ming Dynasty." Gao Hongtu said without giving in.
Fan Wencheng then spread his hands and said: "In this case, there is no need to cooperate. The worst is that the Qing Dynasty will not want the Liaodong Peninsula. The loss is not big anyway, but the Ming Dynasty is different. The northern provinces will have to abandon it, and I also heard that Mr. Qian Ge said in public in the court that he wanted to go north to rescue the Supreme Emperor. Relying on the existing troops of the Ming Dynasty, I don’t know when Mr. Qian Ge will be able to rescue your Supreme Emperor."
Qian Qianyi's face darkened.
Whichever pot the other party doesn't open, pick up.
If Ming Dynasty could send troops north to recapture several provinces, he would not have to negotiate the terms of cooperation with the other party back and forth in his study.
"It's impossible to cede the nine sides to you. Let's exchange for different conditions!" Qian Qianyi said to Fan Wencheng.
He had already promised another auxiliary minister to cooperate with the Qing Dynasty and use the power of the Qing Dynasty to rescue the Supreme Emperor in the northern capital. Therefore, he knew that his bottom line was to cooperate with the Qing Dynasty. As for other conditions, he would try his best to obtain them. It’s not too much, it’s not that I can’t agree to Fan Wencheng.
But for conditions like ceding nine borders to the Qing Dynasty, no one dared to agree to it, not to mention him alone, even if several auxiliary ministers were present.
Fan Wencheng looked thoughtful.
From Qian Qianyi's attitude, he understood that it was impossible for Ming Dynasty to cede nine sides. If the talks continued like this, the two sides could only break down the negotiations.
The Qing Dynasty needed the Ming Dynasty to share the pressure for the Qing Dynasty to the south of the Tiger Banner.
The depth of Liaodong was too shallow. Unlike the Ming Dynasty, even if it lost several northern provinces, it could still reach the south. After the Tiger Character Banner occupied Gaizhou in Liaodong, the military front had already appeared under the nose of the Qing capital.
As long as a single cavalry force can appear near Shengjing at any time.
The pressure in the Qing Dynasty was greater than that in the Ming Dynasty.
"Shanhaiguan, Qing Dynasty can give up other places, but Shanhaiguan must give up to Qing Dynasty." Fan Wencheng looked at Qian Qianyi.
In fact, his ultimate goal is also Shanhaiguan.
After all, although other places are good and can threaten the Ming Dynasty at any time, they are too far for the Qing Dynasty and are inconvenient to send troops to garrison.
But Shanhaiguan is different. As long as the Qing Dynasty controls Shanhaiguan, there is no need to enter the Ming Dynasty territory from other directions. As long as they pass through Shanhaiguan Pass, the Qing army can set foot on the Ming Dynasty territory at any time.
This pass was very important to the Qing Dynasty.
As long as Shanhaiguan is in hand, it will be very easy for the Qing Dynasty to deal with the Ming Dynasty. As long as conditions permit, the Qing Dynasty can completely attack the northern capital of the Ming Dynasty through Shanhaiguan Pass.
"Shanhaiguan can't give it to you either." Qian Qianyi shook his head.
Qian Qianyi naturally understands the importance of Shanhaiguan.
Fan Wencheng, who heard this, said with a dissatisfied look on his face: "The Ming Dynasty doesn't want to take anything, but it wants the Qing Dynasty to send troops to help the Ming Dynasty deal with the tiger thieves. They only take advantage and don't suffer any losses. How can there be such truth in the world?"
"The Ming Dynasty is willing to compensate the Qing Dynasty from other places, but Shanhaiguan will never allow it." Qian Qianyi insisted.
Fan Wencheng shook his head and said: "I'm afraid Mr. Qian Ge has forgotten that Shanhaiguan is now in the hands of tiger thieves. Even if the Ming Dynasty and the Qing Dynasty join forces, the Ming Dynasty will only send troops from the south to the north, but those who really want to deal with Shanhaiguan are Our Qing Dynasty, not only Shanhaiguan, but also other places in Jiubian, also need our Qing Dynasty to rescue us. Our Qing Dynasty risked our lives to take down these important passes, but Ming Dynasty wanted to take them away in vain. This truth is said everywhere It doesn’t make sense! What do you think, Mr. Qian Ge?”
Qian Qianyi hesitated.
Should we cut off the opportunity to cooperate with the Qing Dynasty for the sake of Shanhaiguan?
Then I thought about it, using the help of the Qing Dynasty to help the Ming Dynasty regain several provinces from the tiger thieves, even if the Ming Dynasty lost a Shanhaiguan, it would not be completely unacceptable.
However, Shanhaiguan was too important for him to agree to it alone.
Thinking of this, he said to Fan Wencheng: "I can't make the decision on Shanhaiguan affairs. Let's wait for this cabinet to discuss with other auxiliary ministers before deciding whether to hand over Shanhaiguan to you."
Qian Qianyi decided to give in.
Although Shanhaiguan is important, in his opinion, even without Shanhaiguan, the Ming Dynasty will probably continue to stay in the southern capital and abandon the north.
As a southern official, if he had not promised another auxiliary minister to go north to welcome the Supreme Emperor and announced it in the court, he would not have felt the need to risk sending troops northward.
It's good to stay in the south. Disasters often occur in the northern provinces. Even if they are recovered, it will be a drag and it will not be of much benefit to the southern provinces.
