"Since Taizu, our court has expelled the Tatars and restored the Han family's clothes. Liaodong has been the territory of our Han family since ancient times. When did it become the place for you Tatars?"
Qu Shishu said with a look on his face.
Fan Wencheng's face sank and he said: "I'm afraid Qufu Cheng has forgotten that I, the Qing Dynasty, inherited the Great Jin Dynasty, and the territory of the Great Jin Dynasty is not limited to Liaodong."
"According to what you said, Liaodong was the place of my Han family during the Han and Tang Dynasties. At that time, you Tatars were still wearing animal skins in the mountains and forests!" Qu Shishu counterattacked with words.
When Fan Wencheng heard this, he was not only not angry, but also laughed. He said: "Since ancient times, the mountains and rivers of the Central Plains have been broken up and occupied by foreigners. All of these illustrate that a place does not always belong to one family or force. It always belongs to those who have strong soldiers and horses."
The faces of Qian Qianyi, Gao Hongtu and others turned dark.
Unexpectedly, Fan Wencheng stopped them with words here.
However, just because they knew that what the other party said was true, they suddenly found that they were unable to refute it.
When Fan Wencheng saw that several people were silent, he said again: "Mr. Qian Ge, Gao Shilang, and Qu Fu Cheng, it is actually meaningless for us to argue about the ownership of Liaodong here. If the problem of tiger thieves is not solved, no matter whether it is the Ming Dynasty or the Ming Dynasty Qing Dynasty will become the target of tiger thieves sooner or later. Instead of waiting for the tiger thieves to be defeated individually, it is better for the two dynasties to join forces and deal with the tiger thieves first. As for the future, we will wait until the future, what do you think!"
As he spoke, he looked at the people in front of him.
Gao Hongtu and Qu Shishu looked at each other, and finally looked at Qian Qianyi.
Qian Qianyi twirled his beard and thought for a moment, then said: "I can agree to the cooperation between the Qing Dynasty and the Ming Dynasty, but your conditions are too excessive. It is impossible for me to agree, and it is impossible for the ministers in the court to agree."
He did not dare to agree to the Qing's request to give up the nine-border town that once belonged to the Ming Dynasty to the Qing Dynasty.
The loss of the nine-border town in the Ming Dynasty was equivalent to the absence of the Thirty-Six Prefectures of Yanyun in the Song Dynasty, and the entire northern part of the Ming Dynasty would become a racecourse for others.
Even if he agreed to such conditions, he would not be able to pass them through the court.
"Mr. Qian Ge, please don't get excited." Fan Wencheng said with a smile on his face, "It seems that the Qing Dynasty took away the Ming Dynasty's important nine-border town. Have you and Mr. Qian Ge thought about it? Even if the Ming Dynasty drives away the tiger thieves, it will be recovered." After moving to the northern provinces, will the capital be moved back to Beiping City again?"
Qian Qianyi said without thinking: "The capital city will naturally be based on Beidu."
"I don't think so." Fan Wencheng shook his head slightly.
Qian Qianyi frowned and asked, "What do you mean?"
The other party's words made him a little confused.
"Since Mr. Qian Ge asked me why, I will tell you straight away." Fan Wencheng said, "Let's not talk about why the capital was moved to Peking during the Yongle period. Let's just say that today, most of the people in the court are Nanguan, and they may not be willing to go to Peking. Your emperor is still young, and he is unlikely to have the courage to move the capital back. With people's hearts like this, it will not be easy to move."
Qian Qianyi was immediately silenced.
As a southern official, I didn't think it was a big deal when I was an official in the northern capital. Now that I have been the chief minister here in the southern capital for so long, I suddenly think about it and I really don't want to move to the northern capital again.
Even if he, the chief minister of the cabinet, thinks this way, there are even more officials below who think so.
Fan Wencheng glanced at Qian Qianyi and continued: "The second reason is that Beiping City is not convenient enough. Every year, a lot of manpower and material resources are spent transporting grain from the south to Tongzhou. But if the capital stays in Yingtian Mansion, this can naturally be changed. It’s an inconvenience.”
"I'm afraid these two reasons alone won't prevent the capital from returning to Beiping City." Qian Qianyi said in a stiff tone.
Fan Wencheng smiled and said: "The northern provinces have experienced constant natural disasters over the years and have experienced many wars. It is not an exaggeration to say that the mountains and rivers are in ruins. Such a place is of no benefit to the Ming Dynasty. It will only hold back the capital. Moving back to Beiping City will once again put a heavy burden on Ming Dynasty."
"I heard that the northern provinces were governed by tiger thieves and are no longer what they used to be." Qian Qianyi said.
Fan Wencheng smiled and shook his head when he heard this, and said: "Mr. Qian Ge should know that natural disasters have been appearing in the northern provinces in recent years. Even if the tiger thieves are extremely capable, they can still control the occurrence of natural disasters. Moreover, the tiger thieves have continued to use troops over the years, and the people under their rule have already suffered terribly. The reason why they did not break out is just that they were covered up by the false victory of the tiger thieves."
"Are the people under the rule of tiger thieves really so miserable?" Qian Qianyi didn't quite believe Fan Wencheng's statement.
Although he did not personally visit the places under the rule of the Tiger Character Banner, he also learned some things about the people in the north through the businessmen who came and went.
The people there don't seem to be as serious as Fan Wencheng said.
But when I think about the situation in the northern provinces under the rule of the Ming Dynasty, I also think about the fact that the Tiger Character Banner was just a group of thieves and bandits, and there were not many talents who knew how to manage local civil affairs.
This made him more confident in Fan Wencheng's description of the people under the tiger-character banner.
Fan Wencheng nodded solemnly and said: "It's hard, very hard. In order to ensure the strength of the army, the tiger thieves robbed people's fields and shops everywhere. Many people mentioned the tiger thieves and hated them with anger. It's just because of the tiger thieves." dare not resist with force."
"Thieves are thieves. If they treat the people so little, they will perish sooner or later." Qian Qianyi said bitterly.
Fan Wencheng said: "The current tiger thieves are just like the Bao Qin before they unified the six kingdoms. The people inside have already been overwhelmed. But if the Qing and the Ming cannot form an alliance to fight against the enemy together, in the future, before the Bao Qin is destroyed, they may be able to unify again." In the Six Kingdoms' move, the Qing and Ming Dynasties should not be defeated one by one by Qin because of their own selfish interests like the Six Kingdoms."
"I know what Mr. Fan means, but your request is too high and I cannot agree to it. What's more, even if I agree, several auxiliary ministers will not agree to give up the important town of Jiubian." Qian Qianyi Shaked his head.
The important town of Jiubian was too important to the Ming Dynasty. The purpose of establishing Jiubian was to deal with foreign enemies. Now giving up Jiubian is equivalent to once again giving up the door to intercept foreign enemies.
He dared not agree to such an unreasonable request.
Fan Wencheng, who saw this, advised again: "I understand what Mr. Qian Ge is worried about. When the Ming Dynasty was founded, the Nine Borders were used to defend against the Mongols. But as long as the Qing Dynasty and the Ming Dynasty work together to deal with the tiger thieves, the Qing Dynasty can send a team of Send troops and horses to eliminate the grassland tribes who surrendered to the tiger thieves in one fell swoop, ensuring that other tribes would not dare to invade the Ming Dynasty's territory again. In this way, the so-called Jiubian would not be of much use, and the Ming Dynasty handed over several towns in Jiubian to the Qing Dynasty. It will not threaten the safety of Ming Dynasty."
