Xie Hun said coldly: "Since Marshal Liu pardoned the Shen brothers back then and now speaks for him like this, then we have nothing to say. However, not saying anything does not mean that we are not convinced in our hearts. Those who massacred our family As long as someone who is a disciple can be coerced or threatened, even officials like the county magistrate can pardon their family members for joining the demon bandits. Then the next time rebellion breaks out in other places, Marshal Liu will have to trouble him personally. Go and pacify it.”
Liu Yu said coldly: "I just led the army to destroy Nanyan, and then I came back here non-stop. Isn't it just to quell the rebellion? Xie Shangshu, my father died for the country back then. I know you wanted to kill everyone involved. For rebels, killing is not the way to stop them. They will also have relatives and friends, as well as fathers, brothers, sons and nephews. The demons and thieves have been in trouble for many years, but they have not been completely eradicated. This is because of the suppression of the court, which emphasizes suppression but not caressing. Forced into a dead end, we can only resist to the end, and the hatred becomes deeper and deeper. Is it possible to end all this only by killing all the people in Wudi?"
Xie Hun gritted his teeth: "Those who join the rebellion are not common people. Real common people should at least hide in the mountains and forests. It is impossible for monsters and thieves to find them all."
Liu Yu shook his head: "There are no manors or farmland in the mountains and forests. How long can ordinary people survive if they enter the mountains and forests? Not to mention ordinary people, there are many rich and powerful nobles and rich people in Wu. In the end, did they have nothing to eat? To drink, we can only starve to death at home with gold and silver. I have fought in Wudi for many years and have seen too many such situations. Even Xie Shangshu, I remember that when your father died in the battle, it would have been very difficult. If it weren't for our army I rescued your family after arriving, but I’m afraid you can’t talk to me like this here now.”
Xie Hun's face turned green and red, and he said bitterly: "Anyway, you have the power, so it is reasonable no matter what you say. But I ask Marshal Liu to pay attention to one thing. After our family is a loyal martyr, it is your duty to save us." But these Shen brothers are rebellious traitors, and it is against the law of the country for you to pardon them. Moreover, in order to reduce losses and casualties, you released Lu Xun and Xu Daofu privately and fled to the sea with more than ten thousand old thieves, giving them a chance. Occupying Guangzhou and failing to pacify them in the end led to today's catastrophe. Do you have to bear this responsibility?"
A trace of anger flashed across Liu Yu's face, and he soon regained his composure, saying slowly: "Xie Shangshu made a good point, yes, it was me who let Lu Xun and Xu Daofu go, but there were conditions. Yes, first of all, they captured Sun En and killed the leader of the rebellion, which was considered a meritorious service. Secondly, at that time, Lu Xun was a rare scholar among the monsters and thieves. Compared with Sun En, he is more or less like a human being who harms the common people. Because I was in the army with him before and had dealings with him, I didn't know enough about his nature, so I thought he was trying to recruit people to surrender."
"The third and most important reason is that although the demon thieves have been repeatedly attacked and defeated by our army, they still have the advantage of naval warships. Although we have defeated the demon thieves many times, we still cannot annihilate them all. , many times we can only watch them boarding boats and escaping, and then we don’t know when they will land again on the coast to cause trouble. If this drags on for a long time, the army will be forced to stay in Wu for a long time, which has been war-torn for many years. The people's livelihood is in decline and they can no longer support the army. Shangshu Xie should know this best."
Xie Hun gritted his teeth and said bitterly: "We can contribute money and effort to build a navy and recruit fishermen from the coast. We are not afraid that we will not be able to exterminate the monster thieves."
Liu Yu shook his head: "Don't Xie Shangshu know how many of these coastal fishermen are demon thieves who took off their military uniforms and pretended to be monsters? Although General Shen's words did not please you, but this is the fact. Dozens of fishermen in Sanwu Land Of the ten thousand demon thieves, how many are willing to do so, and how many are forced by the government to rebel? The demon thieves usually give five buckets of rice to these households and fishermen to help them free themselves from various oppressions by the government. And how much of this oppression was given by the high-ranking members of our family?"
Xi Sengshi said coldly: "Is it still reasonable for them to rebel? These people fled from the north and went south. It was us, the descendants of the aristocratic family, who accepted them, gave them a mouthful of food, and did something for us. Is there anything we should not do? ? If you change the country and the court, you have to pay taxes, serve, and join the army. You Marshal Liu likes fighting so much, are the people willing to follow you on an expedition thousands of miles away? If you want to do the Northern Expedition in the future, do it too Does the conscription of music also mean that the officials are forcing the people to rebel?"
Liu Yu said calmly: "I will never force people to join the army and fight. Even if I defend Jiankang this time, I will recruit troops on a voluntary basis and not by force. Because I have led troops for many years and know the importance of military morale. If it is like this, Forcibly arresting people as if they were slaves, these people have no fighting power on the battlefield. The reason why Sima Yuanxian caused such a big mess is because he has no idea about the morale of the people and the army. He only believes that if he gets people, he will do it. This is the biggest lesson of the Sun En Rebellion. Sadly, even today, many of us who hold great power and land and industry still don’t understand this lesson.”
Having said this, Liu Yu looked at Shen Linzi: "I pardoned the Shen brothers not because of my personal behavior, but according to the national law. It is necessary to appease the people of Wu. The culprits must be eliminated and threats will never be asked. As for Lu Xun, I He still needs to be given a chance. If he refuses to accept the recruitment and serve the imperial court, then let him sail away and not be allowed to land on the coast of Wudi again. He did this. He really wanted to be on an overseas island back then. In this life, it was only because of the epidemic that he could only sail further, allowing him to take the opportunity to occupy Guangzhou."
"At that time, Guangzhou was controlled by Wu Yinzhi, the governor appointed by the Huanchu regime. Lu Xun and his gang captured Guangzhou in the name of being loyal to the Jin Dynasty. I can't blame them in the right sense. Moreover, they pretended to be very good at first. As a result of the rebellion, Wu Yinzhi and other officials of the puppet Chu regime were also returned to us. At that time, the war had just ended, and the imperial court had neither the name nor the army to conquer the demon thieves again. Even if it was to conquer, the rebellion must first be eliminated to establish self-reliance. The Qiao Shu regime was the one. That’s why we gave Lu Xun and Xu Daofu official positions and asked them to govern Guangzhou to atone for their previous sins. I don’t think there is anything wrong with this treatment.”
Xie Hun laughed: "Yes, Marshal Liu's handling was all done properly, until Lu Xunxu Daofu took the opportunity to cause trouble again. Now that the attack has reached outside the city, you are going to use the other former demon thief Shen brothers to recruit." , to deal with these old thieves?"
