Liu Yu sighed softly: "This means that you think that aristocratic families will abide by the so-called virtue, which is the set of rules that have been passed down for thousands of years, so it is best to remain unchanged?"
Wang Miaoyin's beautiful eyebrows raised slightly: "It's not called unchanged. My husband, my husband, and my mother all think that staying the same will become decadent and must be changed. But it's not like you who are indiscriminate and suddenly suddenly Just replace a group of low-level commoners and completely replace these high-ranking families, royal relatives and nobles. This will only cause great turmoil. Without the aristocratic families to stabilize the situation, the world will inevitably be in chaos. You are the Sun Enlu Xun who does not fight. The change in style is simply a bottom-level seizure of power, and you haven’t even set any rules for this bottom-level seizure of power.”
Liu Yu said in a deep voice: "You get a title because of your merits, and you get an official position with a title. There are national laws that govern your behavior after you get rich. If someone brings trouble to the world after becoming an official, then he should be dealt with according to the national laws. Isn't this the rule?"
Wang Miaoyin shook her head: "This rule of yours is just your naive ideal. In fact, it can't be achieved. As Mu Zhi said just now, most people join the army and become officials just to seek wealth and for themselves. It is already very difficult to make a profit for yourself and at the same time contribute to the country and benefit the people. What we can do is to make some modifications to the existing system and mobilize people who are willing to make progress. People’s enthusiasm gives them hope so that they can be beneficial to the country and the people while striving for wealth.”
"Brother Yu, you must understand that it does not mean that if you develop education, martial arts, or even land distribution that benefits all people in the world, they will be grateful to you and the country, and they will be willing to be as noble as you and spend their lives just for the Northern Expedition. Great service. When they first get the benefit, they will be grateful for a few days, but soon they will want more. When they have nothing, they just want food and clothing. When they have no worries about food and clothing, they want glory and wealth, wives and concubines. This is You can’t change basic human nature.”
At this point, Wang Miaoyin's eyes flashed coldly, and she took a step forward and looked directly into Liu Yu's eyes: "You asked me just now what virtue is, and I will say it again now. The so-called virtue is respect that has been proven to work. Rules that are effective and can bring stability to the world are the behaviors that are generally recognized by the people of the world. It does not mean that you are noble and you can use your set to demand everyone else. If you cannot guarantee that your set will replace the original set, If it will not cause chaos in the world, then these ideals of yours should not be carried out by extreme means, and you can only pursue them slowly."
Liu Yu sighed. Deep in his heart, he was unwilling to accept Wang Miaoyin's statement, but he also understood that even the great man of later generations must instill the idea that everyone is equal and can become the master of everyone in the country. It also requires a lifetime of struggle.
Even after the country was established and power was in his hands, the great man still had to launch various large-scale social unrest to promote these ideas and achieve re-revolution. This shows that this is by no means an easy task.
As great as that person was, he also made some mistakes, which are still criticized today. It can be seen that this kind of change of customs is not something that happens overnight. If in this process it is really used by some ambitious people, carrying the banner to fight against the great It would be terrible to use a flag just to pursue one's own selfish interests and seize the power of the world.
Thinking of this, Liu Yu said: "So, you think, we should still maintain the model of the aristocratic family, but first let the aristocratic family exchange blood, let the motivated people take the power of the aristocratic family or become an emerging aristocratic family. At the same time, we should popularize education, open up people’s intelligence, and give more civilians hope and room for advancement, right?”
Wang Miaoyin and Liu Muzhi looked at each other, nodded, and said: "Yes, this is my husband, and this is what my mother has always wanted to do. To keep the family in power, at most the original Jiangnan family and the emerging Beijing family Eight brothers combine to form a new family. According to the standard of merit-based titles you mentioned, they occupy the main official titles, land and population, which means they control the power of the country."
"Gradually, major national affairs will be discussed by these people with nobility, and slowly expand. In the future, more territory will be recovered. More and more lower-level scholars and common people in the army will receive nobility due to their merits. In this way, Come, it will not only guarantee the basic interests of the existing family and the Jingba brothers, but also buy you time and opportunities to realize your ideals."
"Brother Yu, you have to understand that Mu Zhi and I are by no means your opposites, but we don't want to be the opposites of the children of the aristocratic family. We also think that the children of the aristocratic family who just wait to die and don't want to make progress should be eliminated, but you If you want to eliminate all the aristocratic families quickly, it will only push the forces that could be united to oppose you, and Dajin will definitely split again."
"At that time, all your ideas will be impossible to realize. Because in the eyes of the world, you will only become a figure like Wang Mang, even if it is someone who is on your side and can help you win the superficial victory, I must also imagine that if you seize power like you, when you grow old or die, your people and government will cease to exist, and it will never be possible to realize your ideal heaven."
Wang Miaoyin spoke sincerely, her eyes sparkled, and she almost shed tears. It was obvious that these words came from her heart and sincerity. Liu Yu was moved in his heart and said: "Miaoyin, Fatty, I know you are doing this for my own good. In fact, over the years, you may not necessarily agree with my thoughts. After all, you are already children of aristocratic families and have benefited from this system. Yes, I want revolution and reform. To put it bluntly, it will hurt you the most. But even so, you have always supported me."
Liu Muzhi sighed: "Miaoyin and I, as well as my wife, Mr. Xuan Gong, and Xuan Shuai, although we are children of aristocratic families, we are also the most aware of the weaknesses of aristocratic families. In fact, we cannot be like ordinary nobles of aristocratic families. In that way, if you think about monopolizing the power of the world forever for the sake of your descendants, and harming the country and the people, we, like you, also think that when we have power, we can benefit the people."
"But Jinu, don't do anything too hastily. Miaoyin just said it well. The word "virtue" represents the inherent rules and the common understanding of the people in the world. If you want to change the law and become stronger, you can't do it too hastily without damaging the old family. Only if you benefit, or even benefit them, can they support you.”
"On the one hand, you can't do without their support now, and on the other hand, you can't guarantee whether the new people and new forces you support can abide by the rules you set, so it's not appropriate to make big moves for the time being and proceed step by step. The interests of the Wu family are , you can’t move, even in the six counties of Jiangbei, you have to give enough benefits, so that the family can be at ease."
