Liu Yu's eyes narrowed slightly and he did not answer immediately. Liu Muzhi looked at Liu Yu and said calmly: "We have discussed this issue before. In fact, it is not only for Wang Zhene, but also for other brothers. People's ambitions are often restricted by power. , just like when you and Liu Xile joined the army together, both starting from the lowest level of soldiers. At that time, Xile probably did not expect that one day he would become one of the top military giants in the world. Instead of rising step by step, he became an official. It’s getting bigger and bigger, it’s getting more and more powerful, and it’s even holding a lot of troops, splitting the land and dividing the territory, so you have other ideas?”
Liu Yu sighed: "What you said is indeed true, so you have always asked me to use my Liu family, my mother's Xiao family, and Zhao family, saying that these people are relatives, at least loyal and reliable. I will do as you say. It goes without saying that Dao rules are done, but for Dao Lian, even though I knew he was incompetent and greedy, I still made him the governor of Dazhou. As a result, my reputation and Jiangbei immigration policy were affected."
"As well as my uncle Zhao Lunzhi, my natal relatives Xiao Chengzhi, and Xiao Sizhi, I also gave them official positions that they did not belong to. Although they behaved quite well, they still have to lead the army or guard. The talent of one person is deceiving oneself and others. Now it seems that in addition to Dao rules, there are also Liu Rongzu, distant relative Liu Zunkao, Zhao Lunzhi, Xiao Chengzhi, Xiao Sixian, etc. "
"There are many young people in the Xiao family who like to practice martial arts. For example, Xiao Chengzhi, who is in the army this time, and Xiao Sixian are both good, but they still need time to practice, and I can't let them become generals all at once. After all, Children from aristocratic families may be able to accept this kind of high-ranking official who has become a county guard based on his birth, but it is impossible for men in the army to be convinced by him as a general."
Liu Muzhi nodded: "After all, you and your relatives' children are not rich and have official status. In terms of education, they are far inferior to the children of the aristocratic family. The two boys of the Xiao family and Liu Rongzu still suffered from the Jingkou martial arts." Affected by the wind, I like to dance with guns and sticks since I was a child. It is okay to start in the army, but it does take time to master the military power and become a general. But no matter what, your family is always a relative. The so-called blood is thicker than water, in your When a great undertaking is started, these people must be used. Although Dao Lian is greedy and stupid, he at least ensures that Jiangbei is under your control. If you feel that he is not worthy of the big task, you can give him more capable and capable staff. Even if he is appointed as Chief Shi and Sima, the position of chief officer must still belong to him. Even if you later place him in Wudi or other internal states and counties, this will still be the case."
Liu Yu frowned: "With the same surname and the same clan, they must be loyal and reliable? If they are relatives, they will not rebel. Then how did the Eight Kings Rebellion come about? Aren't they descendants of the Sima family? Aren't they relatives of the emperor Sima at that time?"
Liu Muzhi frowned: "That happened after seizing the world. After seizing power, the clan naturally had a legal status to inherit the world, so it became a target that needed to be weakened and controlled, and they relied on their status as a clan to possess Official positions and even fiefdoms will also encourage their ambitions to seize power and civil strife. But when it comes to creating a great cause and conquering the world, their efforts are still needed. At this time, the same clan and surname are conquering the world together, even if it is for the benefit of the founding of the country in the future. I won’t betray you at this time. Slave, you have to use these relatives now. As for when you truly dominate the world, you can just find a way to suppress it. "
Liu Yu sighed: "Fat man, Fat man, I know you are doing it for my own good, but have you ever thought that we ourselves want to abolish this kind of family that rests on the merits of our ancestors and fathers and has weighed on the people for generations? High sects, but they ended up doing the same thing, so what's the difference with them? It's just like you said, replacing a new batch of high sects from aristocratic families, replacing the Wang family and Xie family, and replacing them with our Liu family and Xiao The Zhao family. Is this the world we want? Is this the country we have worked for our whole lives to build?"
Liu Muzhi gritted his teeth: "I know this is not in line with your ideals, and you don't even want to be the emperor yourself. But Ji Nu, ever since Emperor Qin unified the world and established the emperor system, even to the Three Emperors and Five Emperors thousands of years ago During the period, after becoming the emperor, the ruler of the world must have a title. If you have great achievements, you can naturally reach that position, and the heroes who follow you to conquer the world can also get the rewards and rewards they deserve. , isn’t the title we have been discussing for so long just to give everyone official positions and fiefdoms? It’s just that this title is conferred on behalf of others and cannot allow people to occupy these official positions and fiefdoms forever, but I don’t say I won’t give them.”
At this point, Liu Muzhi paused: "Moreover, if even your relatives and nephews don't help you in the process of establishing your merits, making meritorious services, and winning titles and offices, others will only think that you are mean and unkind. The world still has to talk about loyalty and filial piety. Loyalty is to the country and filial piety is to the family. If you don’t even take care of your family, few people in the world will think that you are a true moral saint. They will only think that you are too terrible and your relatives will not care about you. If you don’t protect me, I will stay away from you!”
"Before Wang Mang usurped the Han Dynasty, he was famous all over the world because his son killed a servant and forced his son to commit suicide. Many people were moved by this at the time, but it later proved that this was just an act to build his reputation in order to usurp power. He used the life of a son to gain fame for himself, but in the end his reputation was ruined. Together with the act of annihilating relatives for justice, it became an act of hypocrisy. Send a slave, no matter whether the relatives are capable or not, at least give them some official positions during the entrepreneurial stage. You You can prevent them from doing things and put more restraints on their corruption, but this is two different things from entrusting power to outsiders."
When Liu Muzhi said this, his eyes sparkled, he stood up and looked directly at Liu Yu: "No matter how beautiful your ideals are, if you want to build a heaven on earth where everyone is truly equal, you must at least build a country first. Become the master and create laws for all ages. Even if you want to end the emperor system, just like Qin Shihuang created this system, then at least the six countries must be at peace and the world must be unified. Only at this point can you realize your own Ideal time. Before that, you can only act according to the standards acceptable to the world!"
Liu Yu looked at Liu Muzhi motionless. The fat man's expression was extremely serious. It could even be said to be the most serious he had ever seen since he met Liu Muzhi. Obviously, these were his sincere words. Liu Yu sighed and said : "That fat man, let me ask you a question, if I send Liu Daolian and Zhao Lunzhi to Qingzhou now, and later to Guanzhong, which has just been pacified, what will be the result?"
