Taking this opportunity, Zou Yana also wanted to find out how much territorial ambitions the Ming Kingdom had in Southeast Asia.
He really wanted to know what kind of interests the Ming Dynasty had in Southeast Asia. It would be best if everyone could talk about the matter openly and honestly, and if they could reach an agreement, it would be best.
If you can't reach an agreement, then continue to talk and seek common ground while reserving differences. You can still reach a consensus goal, right?
Of course, Su Yonglin also knew what Zou Yana meant. The two of them had a tacit understanding and began to discuss issues of fundamental interests.
What major demands did the Ming Dynasty have on Southeast Asia?
Is it a territorial requirement?
Not really.
Su Yonglin's territorial demands in Southeast Asia are not big. Taking over the Red River Plain area occupied by South Vietnam, building it into the Ming Dynasty's southern border granary, and stabilizing the southern border are Su Yonglin's territorial demands.
These days, the means of information dissemination are limited, and it is very difficult to achieve a breakthrough in the short term. It is difficult to achieve this demand, so it is not a good thing to have a large territory.
A large territory requires a huge military force. Maintaining a strong military force for a long time is a very difficult task for any regime. If it fails, it will lead to the warlordization of the army, which is very dangerous.
Su Yonglin's demands for territory are mainly concentrated in the north and west. He needs the prairie to the north and the plateau valley to the west to serve as a strategic buffer for the Thirteen Chinese States and establish an unbreakable strategic defense lifeline.
This is the limit of what Su Yonglin can do.
As for Southeast Asia, his needs are mainly political needs and economic needs.
Politically, he needs to spread revolutionary ideas in Southeast Asia and help them overthrow the old regime and establish a new revolutionary regime.
Economically, he needed important ports and waterways in the coastal areas of Southeast Asian countries, so that the ports and waterways could be controlled by the Ming Dynasty and serve as the lifeline for the Ming Dynasty's ideology and economy to go global.
Especially economic needs, which are the core interests of the future development of the Ming Dynasty, must be won and maintained, and there is no room for negotiation.
Now Zou Yana made a request and asked Daming to put forward his own conditions. For Su Yonglin, this was a good opportunity to capture the important ports along the Tonghaiyi Road in Guangzhou in a reasonable and legal way.
I don’t want much territory, I just want a good port. You must guarantee my interests in the port. I don’t want anything else.
So Su Yonglin took out the ancient map of Tonghai Yi Dao in Guangzhou and showed it to Zou Yana, and told Zou Yana her needs.
“All dynasties like to wait for others to take the initiative to come to them, and I hope that the people of the Ming Dynasty can take the initiative to go out, do business and live around the world, understand the differences around the world, broaden their horizons, and at the same time, try their best to make money in business. In your own hands, earn more.
For this reason, the important ports along the Yi Road in Guangzhou are necessary for the Ming Dynasty. This is also my request. You hope that the Ming Dynasty will send troops to help you attack Zhenla Kingdom to complete your revenge. This is not difficult for the Ming Dynasty, but I want the port.
I will send people to inspect the port cities in the coastal areas of the Chenla Kingdom. Those that are favored by the inspection must belong to the Ming Dynasty and become the territory of the Ming Dynasty. Not only in the Chenla Kingdom, I will also inspect the port cities in the mainland of the Chenla Kingdom. , if you like it, you should make it the territory of Ming Dynasty. "
Zou Yana frowned immediately after hearing Su Yonglin's request.
To be fair, Su Yonglin's demands are not big in terms of territorial demands alone.
Including the Champa Kingdom and the Chenla Kingdom, the total number of famous port cities that could be favored would not exceed the number on one hand. Compared with the vast territory, they were just a drop in the bucket.
But the reason why the port is so important, and why it is valued by Su Yonglin, is because the port has great economic significance.
Su Yonglin knew how profitable foreign trade was, and Zou Yana knew even more. If all the ports were handed over, the goods would have to pay tariffs to the Ming Dynasty when they were shipped to the sea, and the export trade would be completely controlled by the Ming Dynasty. It would be hard to say whether it would be safe and reliable.
Zou Yana knew that Su Yonglin had no territorial claims to Southeast Asia, which should have made him happy, but Ming's demands for ports and economy made him feel embarrassed from another level.
This is also something that affects the national interests of the Champa state.
To agree or not to agree?
If you agree, it will not be a dream to get help from the Ming army and defeat Zhenla to achieve great things.
If you don't agree, not to mention offending the Ming Dynasty, it might just be a dream to defeat Zhenla and achieve great things.
Zou Yana was caught in a dilemma.
Su Yonglin didn't care. Even if he didn't agree, he would definitely get what he deserved, no matter what channel.
But if he agrees, the process of achieving his goal will be easier and he will spend less money.
"This is the bottom line that Ming Dynasty will never give in. I might as well make it clear. Ming Dynasty must get these ports. There is no doubt that Ming Dynasty must get these ports. And I think you should also believe that Ming Dynasty can get them even without relying on anyone." For these ports, it’s just a matter of time.”
Of course Zou Yana knew that what Su Yonglin said was true. As long as the Ming Dynasty wanted it, it would be able to get it. This was determined by its strong national power.
Now that Ming Guo has made this request, he thinks it is more like a kind of support for himself, and this kind of support can be replaced by another person, let alone him, or even...
It is not impossible for the usurper who helped Zhenla.
After thinking about this, Zou Yana suddenly realized that her actual situation was actually quite difficult.
Once Mingguo turns around to discuss with Zhenlaguo and gets rid of him, he will inevitably fall into the position of an abandoned son in an instant.
Even if the Ming Dynasty did not incite Zhenla to attack Zhancheng, and when the time came to raise troops to attack Zhenla, and the Ming Dynasty said that it was not allowed to attack, would it listen or not?
If they disobey, the Ming army will immediately have the legitimate right to start a war. Why fight against Zhenla?
In this short moment, Zou Yana felt the tragic situation of a small country compared to a big country.
If I had known this, wouldn't it be better to not have anything to do with Ming Guo at all?
This idea was quickly given up by Zou Yana, because he knew very well that it was not Ming Guo that needed him, but that he needed Ming Guo.
The Ming Dynasty is so big that its own power can overflow even if it is placed there without moving. It is impossible for small neighboring countries like them to leave its territory.
After thinking about it quickly, Zou Yana felt that he had no other choice but to initially agree to Su Yonglin's request. As for which ports Su Yonglin needed, he felt that he could further negotiate and hoped that the people of Champa could pay less tariffs when doing overseas trade.
Su Yonglin gave verbal approval and said that we can send people to negotiate the specific content, write it down in black and white, make two copies, and keep them separately to solve the problem.
As for which ports Ming Dynasty needs, we need to send people to carefully examine them, and we will not make a decision for the time being.
Because of the current situation of the country in Champa, wanting to send troops to attack the Chenla Kingdom is really a bit of an old lady getting under the covers - it made me laugh. The Champa Kingdom, which has just ended its internal strife and foreign aggression, now needs to recuperate and accumulate strength before launching an attack. war.
This also fits the needs of the Ming Dynasty, so the two parties agreed to start the operation two or three years later, and the ports that the Ming Dynasty needs will be delivered to the Ming Dynasty after the Ming Dynasty's troops supporting the Champa Kingdom arrive, which is a one-hand payment. First-hand delivery, no bully.
Both parties were satisfied with this agreement. At least Su Yonglin didn't think there was anything wrong with it, so he asked someone to take out a pen and paper and write down what they agreed on. Then Su Yonglin and Zou Yana signed each other's signatures, and then stamped them with their precious seals. The seal of the class is considered creditable.
So, the two parties reached this agreement.
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