The government advanced and the people retreated, allowing government-owned industries to continue to be the mainstay of the Ming Dynasty's economy, and even allowing workers to hold shares.
Zhu Youxiao was quite horrified after hearing this. He did not expect Bi Ziyan to have such insight.
You know, employee stock ownership will be considered a very advanced management system in later generations.
Although everyone knows that this will help the company to strengthen, few bosses are willing to do this. Most of them would rather be the puppets of capital than share profits with employees on an equal footing.
At this time, Sun Chuanting also had an idea and said: "This is a way!"
"However, in my opinion, this is not enough. The land equalization system of the Sui and Tang Dynasties should also be restored. The land in the world should also be returned to the state and distributed equally among the people! It is exclusively owned by the imperial court. Because of the wealth in the world, the most important thing is the land! Since wealthy families exploit their tenants by privately increasing land rents, and middle-class wealthy people go bankrupt by selling their land, they are not allowed to buy or sell land."
"That's right! People in the world can have private wealth, but the power of land and wealth distribution must be in the hands of the court."
Lu Xiangsheng also echoed.
"My dear friends, what you said makes sense."
Zhu Youxiao replied.
He had to admit that the ministers in front of him who had received Confucian education since childhood also had an advantage. They were not deeply influenced by the West and overly concerned about the market like himself, the later generations of time travellers. However, these people still had the idea that the world is for the common good. Yes, otherwise there would not be a character like Wang Mang.
"Your Majesty, I think you should not overdo it, but you should be cautious, especially the land. If it is forcibly taken back to the imperial court, it may lead to Wang Mang's rebellion, and if the land is forcibly distributed to the people, it is also suspected of invalidating the land transaction contract! In this way, there will be losses. The prestige of the imperial court.”
But at this time, Zhu Xieyuan said something at an inappropriate time, which poured cold water on the ministers who began to advocate public ownership.
Because Zhu Xieyuan's family was a big landowner, although he admitted that Bi Ziyan and others were worried, he really could not accept Sun Chuanting's radical idea of allocating the land of big landowners to the common people.
"I also believe that the division of land is inappropriate, which can easily lead to unrest. Moreover, now that the country has implemented a system of apportionment of land between landowners and gentry, it does not affect the government funds in whose hands the land is. As for the people, if the big landowners exploit too much, , you can completely stop farming and go to work in a factory.”
Wen Tiren also replied.
"There are not so many factories, not to mention that they have to be built on land! Because big landowners own the land and can enjoy the income by collecting rent without having to work, it is unearned income! It hinders the increase of social wealth, and even The purpose of allocating more to producers may be, therefore, the fields must be divided! I know that all the public houses have abundant fertile fields, but how can one keep private interests in governing a country?"
Sun Chuanting replied.
Zhu Xieyuan relaxed when he saw that Sun Chuanting was so strong in expressing the need to divide the land, and emphasized that rent collection was unearned income, and bluntly said that running a country cannot be selfish. As a ruler, he had to consider the interests of the country. , said: "Collecting rent is considered unearned income and is not desirable. However, the land accumulated by large households is also accumulated by people's hard work for generations. Taking it hastily is indeed against the original intention of the court to encourage people to create wealth!"
Then, Zhu Xieyuan compromised and said: "Your Majesty, in my opinion, can you first limit the land rent, and then seize the land from anyone who dares to exploit it excessively? This can be regarded as a good example."
"Your Majesty, I also believe that what Mr. Zhu Ge said is a pertinent opinion. In addition, in order to prevent land annexation and the emergence of more big landowners, which will increase the profit from food and rent, and to prevent unscrupulous descendants from selling land to survive, it can be explicitly prohibited. In the field trade, the trader seizes the property, and in this way he can be regarded as a master."
Wen Tiren replied at this time, like Zhu Xieyuan, although he was a big landowner, as an auxiliary minister of the imperial court, he did not dare to only care about his own interests.
"How can innovation be so tepid! If we don't divide the fields, there will always be those who get something for nothing!"
Lu Xiangsheng was as radical as Sun Chuanting and supported direct land distribution.
Chief Assistant Liu Hongxun couldn't help but ask at this time: "If we really want to divide the fields, won't His Majesty's Huangzhuang fields also have to be divided?"
Lu Xiangsheng just shut up.
Sun Chuanting could not speak anymore.
Zhu Youxiao himself couldn't help but burst out laughing. Yes, he, the emperor, was also a big landowner, probably the largest landowner. If it really needed to be divided, it seemed that he would be able to completely divide the land among the people.
"The land cannot be divided for the time being. The significance of my imperial estate is to protect the monarch's power and prevent people with ulterior motives from stealing the power!"
Zhu Youxiao said decisively and asked, "Do you understand?"
"I understand!"
Liu Hongxun and others immediately replied.
As the emperor, Zhu Youxiao indeed relied on the possession of Huangzhuang, the means of production, to support his imperial army and thus protect his imperial power.
And he naturally doesn't want to lose his power now.
It's not just because he really loves the feeling of having power and independence.
But he really couldn't guarantee that without the imperial power, the people of the world would no longer be ruled.
Sun Chuanting heard what Zhu Youxiao said and understood the emperor's concerns, so he gave up the idea of taking the land as state-owned and equalizing the world's land.
Lu Xiangsheng was the same, and added: "Although the fields cannot be divided, as discussed just now, land rent must be strictly limited and land transactions must be prohibited!"
"As it should be."
Zhu Youxiao replied.
"Your Majesty, I think we should also consider that there are people who have suffered sudden changes in their families and urgently need to exchange land for money to temporarily overcome the difficult situation. Is it too cruel to not allow them to trade?"
Liu Hongxun asked.
"Then it can be mortgaged. It can be mortgaged to a government-run bank, which means it can only be sold to the court."
Lu Xiangsheng replied.
"feasible!"
Zhu Youxiao nodded.
But at this time, Liu Hongxun stood up with a distressed look on his face: "Your Majesty! It is true that what Mr. Lu Ge said is quite advisable, but since ancient times, Emperor Yuanyi said that it is difficult for the imperial power to go to the countryside, which has always been a problem. , I am worried that even if the imperial decree is issued in this way, there will be those who violate it, even read the imperial scriptures wrongly, or are too lazy to implement it. For example, the massacre of retired soldiers in Kashima this time was caused by disregard of imperial authority, so The veteran believes that the people must rely on His Majesty to always care about them!"
As he spoke, Liu Hongxun bowed deeply to Zhu Youxiao and said, "Old minister, I sincerely ask your Majesty not to slack off. Your Majesty is the only one who can rule the world!"
After hearing this, Zhu Youxiao let out a long sigh and said: "But people cannot always rely on wise kings, honest officials, heroes, or others! The most important thing about justice is that they have to rely on themselves. The same goes for the people. Learn to fight for your own interests!”
"But this time the Kashima veterans took the initiative to fight for it, but they were still slaughtered. However, rentiers still need to be impartial and upright to make the world clear."
Liu Hongxun replied.
Zhu Youxiao glanced at him and retorted: "But it's because they took the initiative to fight for it that something like this happened, so that I can know about it! If they swallowed their anger, no one in the world would know! They are good In this way, they did not swallow their anger and die in the end, and because of their actions, I am more determined to uphold justice for them!"
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