Li Xiao heard this and turned to look at Zhu Yuanzhang: "Brother, I can't say this."
"But there is indeed a saying in our later generations."
"It is true that some people say that the Ming Dynasty died due to the Apocalypse."
Hearing Li Xiao's words, Zhu Youjian breathed a sigh of relief.
It seems that his attempt to shirk the blame was quite successful this time. As long as nothing unexpected happens, he will be able to get rid of the title of King of Subjugation.
As for whether the title of King of Subjugation will be pinned on Zhu Youxiao, that is not a question that Zhu Youjian should worry about.
As long as the king of the country is not Zhu Youjian, it doesn't matter who he is or who he loves.
After hearing Li Xiao's words, Zhu Yuanzhang asked aloud: "In that case."
"Then Zhu Youjian is not the king of subjugation, but Zhu Youxiao is the king of subjugation?"
Hearing this, Li Xiao shook his head.
"Brother, I don't think so."
As soon as these words came out, Zhu Youjian immediately jumped out to refute.
"Li Xiao, you have clearly said it yourself. Many people in later generations will say that the Ming Dynasty died due to the Apocalypse."
"And I also told what Emperor Tianqi Zhu Youxiao did during his reign."
"The Ming Empire was destroyed if it wasn't Zhu Youxiao, then who was it?"
"Do you have to slap me on the head to be happy?"
At this moment, Zhu Youjian felt very unhappy.
It was obvious that he was almost whitewashed, and his reputation as the king of subjugated country was almost removed.
Even the ancestor Zhu Yuanzhang was beginning to believe in himself, but this kid Li Xiao still jumped out and refused to give up.
Zhu Youjian even had a feeling that Li Xiao was targeting him.
In any case, he will be labeled a king of subjugation, no matter life or death.
Seeing Zhu Youjian's reaction so fiercely, Li Xiao didn't say much.
Compared with Zhu Youjian, he is definitely not in a hurry.
He could also understand Zhu Youjian's mood.
After all, no emperor wants to bear the infamy of being a king who has subjugated his country.
Especially Zhu Youjian, an emperor with great ambitions, little talent, willfulness, unkindness, and mediocre abilities.
"Zhu Youjian, what are you in a hurry for?"
"Whether you are the king of subjugation or not is not up to me."
"You must know that your reputation as the king of subjugation is the evaluation of most people in future generations."
"Although what you said makes sense, you are still the last emperor of the Ming Dynasty."
"Da Ming also fell into your hands."
"So in my opinion, no matter what, you are related to the fall of the Ming Dynasty."
Li Xiao replied calmly.
Hearing Li Xiao's words, Zhu Youjian stiffened his neck again and prepared to refute.
But at this moment, Li Xiao spoke again: "Apocalypse Emperor Zhu Youxiao does have a responsibility, and it is not a small responsibility."
"But you do too."
"At most, it's just a matter of which of you two has more responsibility and who has less responsibility."
"Zhu Youjian, don't be too busy defending yourself."
"In my opinion, you and brothers Zhu Youxiao are both the ruined kings of the Ming Empire."
"Zhu Youxiao destroyed the foundation of the Ming Empire, and you destroyed the country of the Ming Empire."
After speaking, Li Xiao looked at Zhu Youjian calmly.
Zhu Yuanzhang on the side nodded silently after listening to Li Xiao's words, obviously agreeing with what Li Xiao said.
Although Zhu Youjian repeatedly explained that he was not the founder of the Ming Empire, the Ming Empire was overthrown by Li Zicheng in his hands.
This is an ironclad fact, a fact that cannot be changed no matter how Zhu Youjian explains it.
As Zhu Youjian said, Zhu Youxiao completely ignored the government affairs during his reign and appointed a large number of treacherous ministers to hollow out the Ming Dynasty. This incident indeed seriously damaged the foundation of the Ming Dynasty.
Even as Zhu Youjian said, it can be said that the Ming Empire was essentially finished during the Tianqi years.
First, there was a fatuous and lazy emperor like Zhu Youxiao, which plunged the Ming Empire into extreme emptiness.
Then there was an emperor with mediocre abilities like Zhu Youjian, who made several fatal mistakes, which completely plunged the Ming Dynasty into the abyss.
It can be said that these two brothers teamed up to bring down the Ming Dynasty.
Just like Li Xiao said, both Zhu Youxiao and Zhu Youjian have unshirkable responsibility for the fall of the Ming Dynasty.
Later generations said that Zhu Youjian was the king of the country's subjugation, but Zhu Youjian also said that Zhu Youxiao was the king of the country's subjugation.
But now Zhu Yuanzhang feels that Li Xiao is absolutely right.
Whether it is Zhu Youxiao or Zhu Youjian, both of them were the subjugated kings of the Ming Empire.
What is lost is the foundation and heritage, and what is lost is the foundation of the country.
"Zhu Youjian, we also agree with Li Xiao's opinion."
"Whether it's you or Zhu Youxiao, you two are both sinners of our Ming Dynasty."
"They are all the subjugated kings of our Ming Empire!"
Zhu Yuanzhang looked at Zhu Youjian and said in a deep voice.
Hearing Zhu Yuanzhang's words, Zhu Youjian was extremely speechless.
Originally, he had successfully persuaded Zhu Yuanzhang, and Zhu Yuanzhang even understood his difficulties and did not intend to say that he was the king of subjugation.
But I didn't expect that Li Xiao would get in the way again in the end.
I just said so much sincerely, but it was all in vain.
Is it really impossible to get rid of the title of King of Subjugation?
Zhu Youjian was extremely depressed.
He looked up at Li Xiao and retorted unwillingly: "I am not the king of subjugation."
"The Ming Dynasty actually perished due to the Apocalypse!"
"The Apocalypse Emperor Zhu Youxiao is the king of the country's subjugation, and I am also a victim!"
"The mess I inherited from Tianqi, why doesn't anyone understand my difficulties?"
"Who can affirm my dedication and efforts to the Ming Empire?"
At this moment, Zhu Youjian felt very aggrieved, or rather aggrieved.
Although his ability is really mediocre and he has made many mistakes, his feelings for the Ming court are not fake.
He did not want the Ming Dynasty to fall, and he also hoped that he could be a good emperor.
In Zhu Youjian's own opinion, he would not be like Zhu Youxiao and ignore everything about the Ming court and only focus on his own enjoyment.
And Wei Zhongxian and the Hakka family were directly responsible for the huge mess of the Ming Dynasty.
You must know that this world and this country always belong to the Zhu family.
How can you safely let an outsider take care of your family's business?
Zhu Youjian was not willing to lose such a huge family business.
Therefore, when he first came to the throne, he was not diligent, or even a little too diligent.
But Zhu Youxiao was different. From the first day Zhu Youxiao ascended the throne, he had not paid much attention to government affairs or the Ming Dynasty court.
Compared to the Ming Dynasty and the Ming Dynasty, Zhu Youxiao seemed to be more interested in his carpentry work.
Zhu Youxiao's neglect of government affairs and his laissez-faire ultimately led to Wei Zhongxian and other treacherous ministers undermining the foundation of the Ming Dynasty.
The key is that Zhu Youxiao actually sees all these things.
But what's more amazing is that even if Zhu Youxiao knew that Wei Zhongxian was colluding with the Hakka family to do evil in his name, Zhu Youxiao didn't care.
It was because of Zhu Youxiao's attitude that Wei Zhongxian became even more unscrupulous in the end.
Even when Zhu Youjian, who was King Xin at that time, went to see Zhu Youxiao and mentioned these things to him, Zhu Youxiao didn't care at all.
All this was seen by Zhu Youjian.
Otherwise, Zhu Youjian would not have said that Zhu Youxiao was the king of subjugation.
It's because many of Zhu Youxiao's ridiculous things were witnessed by Zhu Youjian with his own eyes or heard with his own ears.
It is precisely because Zhu Youjian experienced the darkness of Wei Zhongxian's period and witnessed the mediocrity of Zhu Youxiao's reign.
Therefore, in Zhu Youjian's mind, Zhu Youxiao was the person who brought the Ming Dynasty to its final demise.
From beginning to end, Zhu Youjian never felt that he was the subjugated king of the Ming Empire.
From the beginning, he wanted to revitalize the Ming Dynasty and bring the Ming Dynasty to a new level.
However, due to Zhu Youxiao's stupidity and Wei Zhongxian's chaos, the foundation of the Ming Dynasty has collapsed.
Therefore, he could not realize his ambition to revitalize the Ming Dynasty.
In Zhu Youjian's view, he just couldn't help himself and just jumped into a big hole dug for him by Zhu Youxiao.
To put it bluntly, it was Zhu Youxiao who brought down the Ming Dynasty.
And he was just the one who took the blame for Zhu Youxiao.
This idea always ran through Zhu Youjian's life until the Ming Dynasty fell and he himself hanged himself in Meishan.
He still maintains this idea.
"I am definitely not the king of subjugation."
"I just had a bad fate and was born at the wrong time."
Zhu Youjian looked at Li Xiao and said seriously.
Hearing Zhu Youjian's words, Li Xiao shook his head slightly.
It seems that Zhu Youjian has never felt that he did anything wrong from the beginning, or Zhu Youjian has always believed that his mistakes were not the cause of the demise of the Ming Dynasty.
This also shows that Zhu Youjian is deeply trapped in his own world.
As the saying goes, those who are in authority are confused and those who are onlookers will understand.
Zhu Youjian is the authority, and Li Xiao is a bystander.
From the perspective of onlookers and later generations, Li Xiao believed that Zhu Youjian had an unshirkable responsibility for the collapse of the Ming Empire.
It is true that when Zhu Youjian took over the Ming Empire, the Ming Empire was already in decay and might even collapse at any time.
But there is a glimmer of hope, a glimmer of opportunity for change.
But this turning point and these opportunities were all missed by Zhu Youjian.
Li Xiao looked at Zhu Youjian, not knowing whether to admire or be speechless for Zhu Youjian's crazy persistence.
"Zhu Youjian, stop talking so much useless nonsense."
"It was really difficult when you took over the Ming Dynasty throne from Zhu Youxiao."
"But this is not the reason for the fall of the Ming Dynasty, nor is it the reason why you say that Zhu Youxiao is the king of the fall of the Ming Dynasty."
"You're too persistent."
“So you can’t see the essence of many things clearly.”
Li Xiao said lightly, as if he wanted Zhu Youjian to recognize this fact.
But at this moment, Zhu Youjian obviously couldn't listen.
Zhu Yuanzhang is right in front of him at this moment, and Zhu Youjian will never admit that he is the king of the country even if he is beaten to death.
Therefore, what Zhu Youjian has to do now is to clear himself and work hard to clear his name.
If you can't clear yourself, then you can only shift all the responsibility or the main responsibility to others.
As for who to push, Zhu Youjian had already thought about it.
One is the Donglin Party in the imperial court, and the other is his good brother, Emperor Tianqi Zhu Youxiao.
Everyone can criticize the Donglin Party, but as for Zhu Youxiao, his life has been absurd.
There is nothing better than using these two to shirk responsibility.
But I didn't expect to meet such a arrogant person as Li Xiao. He was always said to be the king of subjugation.
No matter what Zhu Youjian said, no matter how he explained or gave examples, Li Xiao insisted that he, Zhu Youjian, was the king of subjugation.
This made Zhu Youjian very hurt.
"What essence?"
"You just read some things recorded in history books and make judgments."
"Is it possible that the things I have personally experienced are not more profound than yours?"
"Don't forget, I am the one who experienced the whole thing."
"You are just a person who makes judgments after reading some history books written by later generations."
"Can history books be taken seriously?"
"Can't history books be revised? Isn't it possible that someone will falsify it?"
“How can I still see clearly my own personal experience and experience?”
Zhu Youjian looked at Li Xiao and asked.
He was still trying to explain and defend himself.
Hearing Zhu Youjian's words, Li Xiao smiled lightly.
Zhu Youjian is right, history books can be falsified or record some unobjective things due to human factors.
However, all current historical records are surprisingly consistent. They are all Zhu Youjian's headstrong, suspicious and wavering nature.
Are all history books fake?
This is obviously impossible.
It's just that Zhu Youjian just wanted to muddy the water and divert their attention to other places.
He just wanted to find a reason for himself, a reason that had nothing to do with him when the Ming Dynasty fell.
In the final analysis, Zhu Youjian was still unwilling to admit that he was the king of the Ming Dynasty.
To this day he is still unwilling to face up to his own mistakes.
Li Xiao looked at Zhu Youjian and replied calmly: "Zhu Youjian, even though Zhu Youxiao did a mess during his reign."
"Even if he completely eroded the foundation of the Ming Dynasty."
"But this is not the reason why the Ming Dynasty died in your hands."
"You can only say that when Emperor Tianqi Zhu Youxiao was in power, he left you with a lot of trouble, and it was big trouble."
"But if you think about it from another perspective, isn't this the time to test your abilities?"
"If you are a qualified emperor, you will definitely be able to solve these problems without damaging the foundation of the Ming Dynasty."
"But you are not a qualified emperor. Not only did you not solve these problems perfectly, you also magnified them."
"It led to the subsequent inability of the Ming Dynasty to recover."
"So, in the final analysis, Zhu Youxiao just planted a tree."
"And the final result is in your hands."
"The result is the demise of the Ming Dynasty!"
Li Xiao looked at Zhu Youjian and said in a deep voice.
He briefly stated the relationship between Zhu Youxiao and Zhu Youjian.
Zhu Youxiao and Zhu Youjian were inseparable, and they were indispensable for the destruction of the Ming Dynasty.
No matter how Zhu Youjian explains it, he still can't get rid of his own responsibility.
(End of chapter)
