"The Ming Dynasty died during the Tianqi period?"
Zhu Yuanzhang was a little confused when he heard this.
Isn't Emperor Tianqi the previous emperor of Chongzhen? Tianqi clearly passed the throne to Zhu Youjian, so how could it be said that the Ming Dynasty died in the year of Tianqi?
Seeing the puzzled expression on Zhu Yuanzhang's face, Zhu Youjian explained: "Grandfather Taizu, although the Ming Dynasty fell in my hands."
"But the Ming Dynasty was rotten to the core as early as the Year of Apocalypse, and there is no cure."
"No matter who takes over the country from Tianqi, they will eventually perish."
Li Xiao on the side was also stunned when he heard Zhu Youjian's words.
Then his mind began to recall things about Emperor Tianqi Zhu Youxiao.
Having said that, the two brothers Zhu Youxiao and Zhu Youjian can be regarded as brothers in need.
When the carpenter emperor Zhu Youxiao entrusted the Ming Dynasty to Zhu Youjian before his death, he hoped that Zhu Youjian could change the decline of the Ming Dynasty and help the Zhu family.
Unexpectedly, the Ming Dynasty would eventually be ruined in the hands of Zhu Youjian.
At this time, Zhu Youjian also said that Zhu Youxiao was the king of subjugation.
This is really a deep brotherly love.
However, what Zhu Youjian said makes sense. The Ming Dynasty did have problems in the year of Tianqi, and it was a big problem.
If one has to argue, the fall of the Ming Dynasty was really due to Zhu Youxiao.
After Zhu Yuanzhang heard what Zhu Youjian said, he obviously didn't believe it.
He turned to look at Li Xiao: "Li Xiao, Zhu Youjian said that the Ming Dynasty actually died due to the apocalypse. What do you think?"
Li Xiao nodded slightly: "Brother, I really can't say this."
"However, when Emperor Tianqi was in power, there was indeed a big problem in the Ming Dynasty."
"And many of them were left over to the Chongzhen year. For example, the 9,000-year-old Wei Zhongxian was created by Emperor Tianqi."
Li Xiao didn't know what to say to Emperor Tianqi Zhu Youxiao.
For Emperor Chongzhen Zhu Youjian, this was simpler.
After all, no matter what, the Ming Dynasty was destroyed by Zhu Youjian.
Moreover, Zhu Youjian was not the emperor for a day or two, but reigned for seventeen years.
If Zhu Youjian reigned for seventeen days and then the Ming Dynasty perished, then forget it.
But Zhu Youjian has been in office for seventeen years, and seventeen years is enough to change a lot of things.
Therefore, it makes sense to say that Zhu Youjian is responsible for the collapse of the Ming Dynasty.
But it is undeniable that some bad things during the period of Emperor Tianqi Zhu Youxiao were left in the hands of Emperor Chongzhen Zhu Youjian, which caused a lot of trouble to Zhu Youjian.
"Then Zhu Youjian said that the Ming Dynasty actually died due to the apocalypse, is it true?"
Zhu Yuanzhang asked aloud.
Li Xiao shook his head slightly: "Brother, I really can't say this."
"When Emperor Tianqi was on the throne, the Ming Dynasty was also in decline."
"If Zhu Youjian insists on saying this, then I can only say that the demise of the Ming Dynasty has a certain relationship with the Apocalypse."
"But in my opinion, the king of the Ming Dynasty was still Zhu Youjian."
After hearing Li Xiao's words, Zhu Yuanzhang turned to look at Zhu Youjian.
Zhu Youjian immediately spoke out to defend himself: "Li Xiao, why do you have to think that I am the king of the Ming Dynasty?"
"You keep pouring dirty water on me, what's your intention?"
"During the Tianqi years, the people of the Ming Dynasty were in dire straits and the court was ignorant and incompetent."
"This is rotten to the core, why didn't you mention it?"
Hearing this, Li Xiao replied calmly: "Zhu Youjian, what you said is indeed right."
"But you have been the emperor for seventeen years, not for seventeen days."
"Can't you solve the problems left over from the Year of Apocalypse even if I give you seventeen years?"
"If you only reign for seventeen days, then you can blame Tianqi for the fall of the Ming Dynasty."
"But you have been in power for seventeen years, and the Ming Dynasty finally died. How can you still say that it was the problem of Apocalypse?"
Hearing Li Xiao's words, Zhu Youjian was stunned and forgot how to argue.
Seeing this, Li Xiao added: "You keep asking me who I am."
"Then I'll tell you."
"I am your great-grandfather's grandson-in-law and Zhu Di's biological son-in-law."
"Although I am just the consort of the Ming Dynasty, according to my seniority, you have to call me ancestor."
"Besides, the great grandfather you call me and I are sworn brothers."
"You can just call me ancestor."
After speaking, Li Xiao looked at Zhu Youjian quietly.
Zhu Yuanzhang on the other side remained silent.
Although Li Xiao's words obviously took advantage of Zhu Youjian, this advantage should also be taken by Li Xiao.
Although Li Xiao is not Zhu Youjian's biological ancestor.
But in terms of seniority, Li Xiao can indeed be regarded as Zhu Youjian's ancestor.
Li Xiao was indeed the consort of the Ming Dynasty and Zhu Di's son-in-law.
To take a step back, Li Xiao is still his sworn brother.
Zhu Youjian, a young man, really wanted to call Li Xiao his ancestor.
But having said that, if Zhu Youjian really wants to call Li Xiao his ancestor, then everyone here will be his ancestor now.
Because except for Zhu Ningyun, all those present were Zhu Yuanzhang's sworn brothers, and they were all Zhu Youjian's ancestors.
As for Zhu Ningyun, it goes without saying that she is at the level of Zhu Youjian's direct aunt and grandma.
He can definitely be regarded as Zhu Youjian's biological ancestor.
Hearing Li Xiao's words, Zhu Youjian was speechless.
Although Li Xiao was the consort of the Ming Dynasty, he was the orthodox emperor of the Ming Empire.
It doesn't matter that Li Xiao is senior, but there is a huge difference in status.
He, Zhu Youjian, is a member of the royal family, the Supreme Being of the Ninth Five-Year Plan.
Even though Li Xiao was the consort of several previous dynasties, his status was still not as noble as his emperor.
As an emperor, he could call Zhu Yuanzhang his ancestor, but he could never call Li Xiao his ancestor.
This Li Xiao was clearly taking advantage of Zhu Youjian.
But now their real ancestor of the Zhu family, Zhu Yuanzhang, has not spoken yet, and Zhu Youjian does not dare to say anything more.
He could only look at Zhu Yuanzhang helplessly.
Seeing the helpless look on Zhu Youjian's face, Zhu Yuanzhang was expressionless.
Of course he knew what Zhu Youjian meant, but Zhu Yuanzhang couldn't control that much.
Who knows that Zhu Youjian is the youngest here.
"What are you looking at?"
"Li Xiao is right. Just call him your ancestor."
"Don't talk about Li Xiao, you can call everyone here an ancestor."
Zhu Yuanzhang said angrily.
Zhu Yuanzhang really didn't have a good face towards Zhu Youjian, an unsatisfactory descendant.
Hearing Zhu Yuanzhang's words, Zhu Youjian became even more helpless.
Although Zhu Youjian can't fight for anything in terms of seniority, he is still tough-talking in terms of reputation.
No matter what, he refused to admit the fact that he was the king of the country.
"Li Xiao, let's put aside the matter of seniority for now."
"Anyway, I am not the king of the Ming Dynasty."
"Don't put this name on my head."
"Even if the Ming Dynasty dies, it will still be the root of the disaster that was laid in the Year of Apocalypse."
Zhu Youjian is still trying to get rid of his reputation as the king of the country's subjugation, and is still pushing this responsibility onto Zhu Youxiao.
Hearing this, Li Xiao smiled and said, "Why do you put this thing aside and not talk about it?"
"You keep calling Li Xiao, why are you so rude to your ancestors?"
"You still have the nerve to say that you are the emperor. Is the emperor so rude?"
Seeing that Li Xiao was talking about this again, Zhu Youjian closed his mouth in amusement and did not answer.
Zhu Yuanzhang on the side also remained silent.
Compared with matters of seniority, Zhu Yuanzhang was obviously more concerned about the Ming Dynasty.
Zhu Yuanzhang was even more curious about the Emperor Tianqi mentioned by Zhu Youjian.
Zhu Youjian, the king of the subjugated country, felt that he was not good at Emperor Tianqi, so how bad was Emperor Tianqi?
Zhu Youjian is already like this. Is it possible that Emperor Tianqi Zhu Youxiao is a complete, out-and-out, licentious and immoral emperor?
There is also a foolish king in their old Zhu family?
Although Zhu Youjian did not live up to expectations, he was not a fool.
At best, he is nothing more than an incompetent emperor.
And the Emperor of Tianqi in front of him, Zhu Youxiao, sounded like a man with a story.
Zhu Yuanzhang was very curious about his unfulfilled descendants.
He really wanted to know what his descendants would do.
Of course, he also hopes that his descendants will have a capable, ambitious, magnanimous and wise king.
Faced with Li Xiao's teasing, Zhu Youjian kept silent.
He said to himself: "The Ming Dynasty was indeed overthrown by my hands."
"But doesn't Emperor Tianqi have any responsibility?"
"Apocalypse was so foolish and so many treacherous ministers appeared that they had already eaten up the Ming Dynasty."
"Not to mention Wei Zhongxian and Hakka, a pair of traitors who worked together to form an alliance, the Donglin Party alone grew in strength during the reign of Emperor Tianqi."
"Apocalypse was also obsessed with carpentry all day long, unable to extricate himself, and directly abandoned the government."
"Do you know how much harm and hidden danger this will cause to the Ming Dynasty court, the people of Ming Dynasty, and the country?"
"Does it mean that just because I took over the already riddled Ming Dynasty from Emperor Tianqi, I have to bear the reputation of a subjugated king?"
"Is this fair to me?"
"Emperor Tianqi left like this after a happy life, leaving me a mess. In the end, I was asked to bear all the responsibilities and bear the infamy of a king who subjugated his country."
"I, Zhu Youjian, will not bear this responsibility."
Zhu Youjian looked at Li Xiao and defended himself aloud.
Listening to Zhu Youjian's words, Li Xiao really wanted to give him a round of applause.
It has to be said that there are almost no loopholes in Zhu Youjian's words, and it sounds natural and reasonable.
If you are someone who doesn't know the truth, you may have been fooled by Zhu Youjian's words.
When it comes to throwing the blame, Zhu Youjian is really good at it.
Although Li Xiao is not very proficient in history, he has dabbled in the basic history and direction of the Ming Dynasty.
Emperor Tianqi Zhu Youxiao may not be a good emperor, nor a good big brother, but he is definitely not a foolish emperor.
A lot of ridiculous things did happen to Tianqi, such as his own heavy taste and his obsession with carpentry.
There have also been many treacherous villains, such as Wei Zhongxian and Hakka.
But in the final analysis, the overall political situation of the Ming Dynasty was relatively stable.
The basic foundation of the Ming Dynasty was also maintained, and there were no major flaws.
If I had to insist on it, it would just be that there were some problems with Emperor Tianqi's own life style.
Li Xiao disagrees with Zhu Youjian's statement that the Ming Dynasty was actually dead during the reign of Emperor Tianqi.
In Li Xiao's view, no matter what, the Ming Dynasty died in Zhu Youjian's hands.
If we have to assign one responsibility for the fall of the Ming Dynasty, then Zhu Youjian is at least the main responsibility, while Emperor Tianqi Zhu Youxiao is at most the secondary responsibility.
Originally, Li Xiao had some sympathy for Zhu Youjian. After all, he had also inherited a mess, and he was indeed somewhat powerless.
But I didn't expect Zhu Youjian to be so irresponsible.
Not only did he not face his own problems, he also kept shirking responsibility.
Emperor Tianqi Zhu Youxiao was also his eldest brother, and he passed the throne to him.
This shows Zhu Youpiao's trust in Zhu Youjian.
However, he did not expect that Zhu Youjian would eventually put the responsibility for the fall of the Ming Dynasty on Zhu Youxiao.
As the orthodox emperor of the Ming Dynasty, Zhu Youjian simply had no responsibility at all.
Li Xiao despised this kind of magnanimity and open-mindedness.
"Zhu Youjian, no matter what, you are still the emperor of the Ming Dynasty."
"I didn't expect that you still refuse to admit your problems and face yourself."
"You also keep shirking responsibility and blaming it on the elder brother who passed the throne to you."
"Do you have the responsibilities of an emperor?"
"You have been in power for seventeen years, and the Ming Dynasty collapsed. You have not admitted your mistakes and problems, and you have pushed this responsibility onto your elder brother."
"You are such a good emperor."
Li Xiao looked at Zhu Youjian, his words full of sarcasm.
After hearing Li Xiao's words, Zhu Youjian's face looked obviously ugly.
Even if everything Li Xiao said was true, even if Zhu Youjian was really guilty, he would not admit it and would take responsibility.
Zhu Youjian's purpose has always been clear, that is, to get rid of the title of King of Subjugation.
You can say that Li Xiao is incompetent, you can say that he is fatuous, you can say that he is headstrong, but you cannot say that he is the king who subjugated the Ming Dynasty.
The four words "King of Subjugation" are like Zhu Youjian's inner demons, making it so difficult for him to accept and face it.
No matter what the facts are, no matter what future generations think, let alone what Li Xiao said.
Anyway, even if Zhu Youjian is killed now, Zhu Youjian will not admit that he is the king of subjugation.
These four words are simply the most vicious comments for an emperor.
These four words can now be said to be what Zhu Youjian hates the most, and what he least wants to hear.
"Anyway, I am not the king of subjugation!"
"The Ming Dynasty fell, and there are already signs of it in the Year of Apocalypse."
"I'm just an unlucky guy, I'm a scapegoat!"
Zhu Youjian looked at Li Xiao and reiterated again: "The Ming Dynasty actually fell due to the apocalypse!"
(End of chapter)
