Um?
As soon as these words came out, the eyes of the ministers suddenly lit up...
It seems that there are many examples of reform failure.
"Wei Shuyu's words sound powerful, but just from what he said, there are many examples of failed reforms."
Facing Li Shimin's pressure, Li Ke was not afraid at all.
"For the sake of the Tang Dynasty, I have the courage to ask you to argue with Wei Shuyu in front of the palace!"
Li Shimin's expression softened slightly.
After all, Li Ke's starting point was also for Datang.
The request was immediately agreed to.
"allow."
With Li Shimin's approval, Li Ke looked at Wei Shuyu and smiled warmly.
Unlike Cui Yixuan, Li Ke's tone was very comfortable, but it didn't sound so sharp.
It's like the calm before the storm.
"Uncle Yu."
Li Ke smiled and said: "Don't blame me for refuting your remarks. It's all for the Tang Dynasty."
"Your Majesty, King of Shu, it's okay to say so." Wei Shuyu nodded.
"Take the Wu Qi reform you mentioned as an example. When King Chu Mourning was alive, Wu Qi could go all out to reform, but after King Chu Mourning died, this reform was terminated. So what is the meaning of the reform?" Li Ke said with a smile. .
Wei Shuyu thought for a while, and then replied something that dumbfounded Li Ke.
"The meaning of reform is of course reform."
Wei Shuyu replied casually: "The effect of Wu Qi's reforms is obvious, but he was killed because he disturbed the interests of the old nobles of Chu. This can only mean that time did not wait for him."
"If King Chu Mourning is still here, who dares to touch him?"
"Take the Tang Dynasty as an example. As long as His Majesty reigns for a day, I, Wei Shuyu, can speak freely in the court."
While speaking, Wei Shuyu bowed to Li Shimin.
Li Shimin was quite pleased with it and couldn't help but straighten his back.
Every day, sometimes Lao Wei and Xiao Wei are quite good at flattering.
I'll give you one less pair of shoes next time.
"But this can't change Wu Qi's failure in reform. Everything is in vain." Li Ke responded calmly.
"King Shu, are you funny?"
When Wei Shuyu saw that the other party was still talking about Wu Qi, he immediately lost his temper.
"After Wu Qi's reform, Chu's national power became strong and the princes were afraid. Isn't this enough to prove the power of the reform?"
"And you said it was all in vain?"
“You’ve already made a name for yourself in history, do you think this is all in vain?”
"Future generations can learn a lot of experiences and lessons from Wu Qi's reform, so why is it just empty talk?"
As Wei Shuyu talked, the officials couldn't help but sigh.
Such talk...
It is estimated that King Shu will be defeated soon.
But just when everyone was thinking this, Li Ke dropped another bombshell!
"So, did Emperor Xiaowen of the Northern Wei Dynasty succeed or fail in his reforms?"
"The death of Emperor Xiaowen more than thirty years after his death does this mean that his reforms failed?"
As soon as these words came out, all the officials fell silent.
Even Wei Shuyu's expression became serious.
The reform failed and the dynasty perished.
This is a taboo, a bad answer may lead to death!
Even the change of dynasty is a natural phenomenon, which cannot be said!
Wei Shuyu pondered for a while and then said calmly...
"Emperor Xiaowen made the Xianbei people Sinicized and had extremely outstanding strategic vision."
"But why did the Northern Wei Dynasty fall? I think everyone in the court should know it, right?"
Wei Shuyu looked at the ministers.
The ministers were silent.
The fall of the Northern Wei Dynasty was only a hundred years ago. They had naturally heard of these things from their fathers and grandfathers.
Even the fathers and grandfathers of many officials were officials in the Northern Wei Dynasty.
"Actually, it doesn't matter why the Northern Wei Dynasty fell. The purpose of the reform is to improve the national system and make the country stronger and more stable!"
"It is precisely because there are flaws that we reform. If there are still flaws after rectification, of course we should continue to reform."
"His descendants don't have that ability. Who's to blame?"
"Emperor Xiaowen died at the age of 33. You can't blame him for dying early, right?"
The ministers were speechless.
Although Wei Shuyu's remarks felt a bit naughty, it is undeniable that there is not much problem.
A large part of the reason for the fall of the Northern Wei Dynasty was also due to the Six Towns Uprising.
The Six Towns Uprising was launched by the Xianbei people.
This can be regarded as a problem left over after Emperor Xiaowen assimilated the Han people.
If Emperor Xiaowen was still alive, this ending might be different.
"Do you have anything else to say?"
Wei Shuyu looked at Li Ke and smiled teasingly: "Are you going to talk about Wang Mang again next?"
Li Ke was shocked.
Then his face began to look ugly.
Originally, he didn't want to talk about Wang Mang, because Li Shimin was inclined to be pro-business.
If you use extreme words, it is easy to anger Li Shimin.
But now that Wei Shuyu had made it clear, he had no choice but to bite the bullet...
"Wang Mang is known as a reformer, and he is the first recognized reformer in history!"
"His reforms led to the destruction of the country!"
When the officials heard this, they all held their breath.
One by one, they peeked at Li Shimin.
However, Li Shimin's expression didn't change much...
I can't even defeat Old Wei.
Can my son defeat Xiao Wei?
If I really want to win, I should consider the issue of easy storage.
If you are asked to stay by my side every day to fight against Wei Zheng and his son, it will definitely be indispensable for you to participate in national affairs.
National affairs are indispensable, so is it still far away from the throne?
"Wang Mang's restructuring is nothing but shit!" Wei Shuyu cursed unceremoniously.
"Restructuring means breaking down the old system and establishing a new one."
"The updated system is to continuously meet the various needs of the country and the people!"
"What kind of system did Wang Mang create?"
“There are many policies that are unreasonable and the people will suffer from them before they benefit.”
"The royal land system means that both public and private lands are owned by the state, and the private lands of the common people have been taken away. How can we not feel resentful?"
"Changing the official system, changing orders day by day and night by night, makes officials confused about what to do."
"The five equal credit (loan system) and six management policies have usurped the interests of businessmen."
"Such absurd behavior naturally harms the interests of various nobles!"
"Almost everyone in the world who can be offended has been offended. If he doesn't subjugate his country, who will?"
The ministers were surprisingly silent.
Naturally, they have all heard of Wang Mang's ridiculous system.
To bring this matter up to refute is just to scold someone.
"Okay, Ke'er, step back."
Li Shimin finally couldn't stand it anymore.
If you are so good, you have to stand up and be ridiculed, why bother?
As wise as I am, I will win over him if I can't scold him, and I will never quarrel with Old Wei in public.
Drag Lao Wei over to spray others.
Is there anything more comfortable than this?
"promise."
Li Ke bowed and saluted Wei Shuyu again: "I am reckless."
"..."
Li Shimin's mouth twitched.
He is indeed the son who is most like me. He understands things very quickly.
"King Shu, you are welcome."
Wei Shuyu returned the favor.
"My dear friends, do you have anything else to say..."
After seeing Li Ke retreat to his position, Li Shimin started asking again.
Ministers, you look at me, I look at you...
I'm really out of ideas.
Just when everyone wanted to compromise, an unexpected person stood up.
"Your Majesty, I have something to say..."
Everyone followed the sound...
Holy shit.
Why do you dare to stand up like this?
Cheng Yaojin came out of the queue and saluted Li Shimin seriously.
