There is a long delay for most individuals to perceive the drastic changes of the times.
The self-driving technology industry has been quarreling for many years, and the vast majority of drivers will not pay attention to cutting-edge self-driving technology.
Most of them only care about their own income, their children's education and how to relieve physical fatigue and mental numbness.
On Toutiao or Douyin platforms, I read the sensational remarks of popular science bloggers about how drivers will be replaced by artificial intelligence in the future.
Truck drivers just see it and forget it, and don’t really think that autonomous driving technology can replace humans.
But when technological progress actually affects their own interests, they will try to fight back until they find that they cannot buck the trend.
In the past, when online ride-hailing became popular and affected the interests of taxi drivers, taxi drivers often fought with online ride-hailing groups.
This only affects some of their interests.
Not to mention that truck drivers are directly replaced by artificial intelligence.
It's true that truck driving is hard work, but the pay is also very good.
In Amerikan, whether it is Walmart or Amazon, online and offline “supermarkets” offer quite high salaries to truck drivers.
Before autonomous trucks became popular, Walmart’s salary for truck drivers exceeded RMB 800,000.
These truck drivers, who have lost their jobs due to technological advancement, basically cause riots every now and then.
Many truck drivers even go to the US-Mexico border to drive illegal trucks in order to make a living, specializing in illegal immigration business.
“The mass unemployment of truck drivers is just an episode that cannot even be considered as an episode in the great changes of the times brought about by technological progress.
There will be more and more similar incidents in the future.
After autonomous driving technology enters the civilian scene, the number of unemployed people will be even more alarming.
In my impression, the number of ride-hailing drivers on Uber’s platform alone is more than ten times the number of truck drivers.
Not to mention that Uber is a global company, and the number of online ride-hailing drivers in China is even wider.
The number of unemployed people will bring about more serious social problems.
This is a problem that every entrepreneur and government needs to face and is bound to happen in the future.
How to create new job opportunities so that people who have lost their jobs due to technological advancement have a job. "
Musk continued: “What I just mentioned is just the people who are directly affected by technological advancements.
There are also many people who are indirectly affected by technological progress.
For example, in the short term, it is unlikely that robots will be able to deliver food and replace human takeout delivery people.
But they will also be affected by autonomous driving technology.
After a large number of drivers lost their jobs, many chose to become food delivery workers, which will lead to a decrease in wages in this industry.
Things never exist in isolation; there are extensive and profound connections between them. "
The host took over and said, "Thank you very much Mr. Musk for your wonderful speech. What does Director Zheng have to say about this?"
Zheng Li thought for a while and said: “I agree with Musk’s point of view.
The industrial Internetization of the manufacturing industry will inevitably lead to the unemployment of a large number of manufacturing workers.
Take our cooperation with Baosteel as an example. Baosteel has about 40,000 employees. After Baosteel, Huawei and the smart steel factory we jointly built were promoted on a large scale.
Only five thousand people are needed to maintain twice the current production capacity.
Another 35,000 people will face unemployment and re-employment.
For China and the world, it is obviously not just a problem for these 35,000 people, this will spread to the entire manufacturing industry.
This number must be multiplied by at least ten thousand. "
Take Baosteel as an example. According to Baosteel's 2013 annual financial report, they were 130,962 people. This number became 45,405 in the 2021 annual financial report.
You must know that this was Baosteel's merger with Wuhan Iron and Steel in 2016.
Baosteel's personnel have been streamlined to such an exaggerated degree in the past decade or so, mainly due to the company's refined management.
In the next decade or so, the further streamlining of personnel will be mainly caused by the dominance of technological forces.
China is a big country, and during the economic upturn, the unemployment of this small number of people in Baosteel was easily absorbed.
The host asked: “So how do we deal with this problem?
The two entrepreneurs' views on this aspect are so consistent.
Let us worry about the possible unemployment wave in the future.
Especially for a populous country like China, the manufacturing industry accommodates so many employed people.
Faced with large-scale unemployment caused by technological progress in the future, what can we do to better avoid this problem? "
Musk said bluntly: “This problem is unavoidable.
The main purpose is to guide the manufacturing population to the service industry.
The gap between rich and poor around the world will become more extreme.
The phenomenon of strong players in the manufacturing field becoming increasingly strong will become more and more serious, and a large number of small and medium-sized manufacturing industries will not be able to survive.
Tesla also faces similar problems.
Whether it is Tesla's super factory in Shenhai or Tesla's factories elsewhere around the world, the future will be a state of continuous reduction in manpower.
For the sake of corporate responsibility, we will give these employees who have lost their jobs the opportunity to transfer internally, but you know, there may not be many such opportunities.
Many of these employees may still face losing their jobs.
For China, what needs to be considered is to vigorously support the development of the service industry and do a good job in precision agricultural production. "
Seeing that Musk was unwilling to say more, the host turned the topic to Zheng Li: "So, Director Zheng, what do you think of this issue?"
Zheng Li said bluntly: “We need to improve the social welfare security system to protect individuals.
Materials will definitely become more abundant in the future.
On the basis of abundant supplies, we will vigorously develop science and technology and upgrade the mid-to-high-end industrial chain while not abandoning the low-end industrial chain.
For example, China's population of 1.4 billion only needs about 100 million people to work to support the living needs of 1.3 billion people.
In fact, with the development of technology, there are no need for so many people to work.
Work should be the job of a few people. "
The summit dialogue of the day was quite peaceful in the aftermath, except for a slight smell of gunpowder at the beginning.
Perhaps it was because Musk saw that Zheng Li was having difficulty answering the questions he raised, so he stopped trying to gain the upper hand verbally.
To use the current mainstream terminology to describe them, the two are “top-notch” entrepreneurs in the world.
The number of people watching the live broadcast worldwide exceeded 10 million that day, and the topic triggered extensive and profound discussions on major social media in China.
"I feel that both Zheng Li and Musk are extremely optimistic about the industrial Internet."
Since the theme of this Wuzhen Summit is Industrial Internet, industry leaders are optimistic about the field of Industrial Internet.
Major brokerages and funds worked overtime over the weekend and planned to launch industrial Internet ETFs within the next half month.
The so-called financial influencers on Douyin have helped Leeks select listed companies related to the Industrial Internet.
Their fans took a look and found that these tickets have increased well in the past two years. They are a good choice. After listening to Big V, they went in and stood guard for several years.
In Big A, good companies do not mean high valuations, and stock prices will definitely rise.
"I believe that Musk is indeed a master of China. He knows many things about China better than I do. I didn't even know that China has four major metropolitan areas."
"Why do I feel that Musk understands China better than Zheng Li?"
"Zheng Li's answer was not down to earth at all, it was because he had been at the top for a long time.
With China's approach, increasing welfare benefits is like constipation. How can it be possible that only 100 million people need to work? "
"Zheng Li's idea is very good, but there is no possibility of it being implemented in the short term."
"The employment of truck drivers has indeed been greatly affected in the past few years. I like to chat with drivers when I take ride-hailing rides on the road. Judging from my chats, recently there have been many truck drivers who have changed jobs as ride-hailing drivers. .
If it is true that driverless urban travel will be realized in the future, what will they do? "
“My father was a truck driver before. Fortunately, he used to be a truck driver for JD.com and could transfer internally. Now he has transferred to JD.com and became a delivery boy for JD.com.
And many of the truck driver friends he knew were far less well off than him, working as security guards, delivering food, doing housekeeping services, and so on.
This is the first time I know that Amerikan has been in a similar situation, and their truck drivers have been protesting in large numbers from time to time.
I haven't seen any relevant reports in domestic news media. "
In fact, China also has a similar situation, but the information cannot be spread on the Internet.
“I feel a deep chill about the future mentioned by the two top bosses.
Musk is obviously extremely rational and completely self-interest-oriented, and has no overlap with the traditional Chinese concepts of self-cultivation, family order, country governance, and world peace.
What Zheng Li showed was that he had never lived at the bottom, had no understanding of specific affairs, and was very idealistic.
However, it is completely understandable that he received 50 million venture capital before the end of his freshman year, and then founded a company with a market value of more than one trillion in just over five years, and the unit is still meters.
It's normal to be ungrounded. People are flying in the sky all the time.
From the perspective of technological development, the future will be dominated by oligarchs.
From the speeches of these two top entrepreneurs, we can see that in this future, it is impossible for top entrepreneurs to empathize with ordinary people. "
There has always been a saying: there are individuals who betray the class, but there are no groups that betray the class.
"Aren't Zheng Li and Musk both mages? I was looking forward to the conversation between the two. I thought there would be a magic duel.
Previously, Tesla employees stole trade secrets from Kechuang Biotech’s R&D Center in Lion City. Doesn’t Zheng Li want to give Musk a shot of Avada Kedavra?
Musk's Neuralink is the second best in the field of brain-computer connection. I feel that I can't see any hope of surpassing scientific and technological innovation in my lifetime. Doesn't Musk want to cast the Imperius Curse on Zheng Li?
How boring it would be if there was no duel between mages. "
In fact, it's not just him who expects it. Audiences around the world also expect that the two people who have a grudge will stage a magic duel.
This is also a rare meeting between two apparent mages in a public place.
In fact, the staff of the Wuzhen Summit have mentioned a similar proposal. If you want to mention it, the two of you can exchange your knowledge and experiences about magic on the spot.
He also indirectly asked the two of them if they wanted to stage a magic fight.
The organizer of the summit was confused at the time: “Are you crazy or am I crazy?
Let two big guys with a net worth of over 200 billion yuan perform for you in public? How big are you?
If something goes wrong, who is responsible?
Who here has the ability to take responsibility?
It’s really not worth it for a little traffic.
This is a global Internet conference, not a magic conference!
Not to mention traffic, even if everyone in the world needs to pay six yuan to watch this event, these two big guys will not agree to perform for you.
There are 7.5 billion people in the world, and each person pays 6 yuan, which is 45 billion RMB, which is barely a fraction of the worth of the two big guys.
Anyone who makes such an unreliable gimmick proposal again will get out of here! "
Musk’s net worth exceeds one trillion RMB, and Zheng Li’s net worth is much higher than Musk’s.
45 billion RMB is indeed just a fraction.
This shows how exaggerated the gap between rich and poor is.
Later, no staff member of the organizer of the Wuzhen Summit dared to make a similar proposal.
"Tonight, Ma Huateng is hosting and inviting everyone to dinner, will you join me?
Anyway, we eat everywhere, why not eat something good instead of staying at the hotel? "
After it was over, Li Miaomiao asked before going back to the bedroom.
Zheng Li nodded and said, "Okay."
Just before Zheng Li was about to go back to the room, Li Miaomiao asked: "Zheng Li, do you think the future will get better?"
“If the industrial Internet in the future really leads to the unemployment of large-scale manufacturing employment.
Is this really a better future? "
Zheng Li knew that although Li Miaomiao had been in the senior management position of Kechuang Biotechnology for many years, her ideas had not changed in many cases.
In other words, Li Miaomiao is more able to look at problems from the perspective of ordinary people.
Zheng Li explained: "Yes."
“Technological progress will definitely make society better.
In the conversation I just had with Musk, neither Musk nor I spoke completely about this matter.
The popularization of the industrial Internet will lead to the loss of a large number of manufacturing jobs, and it will also create many new jobs. "
Li Miaomiao asked: "Like the new jobs created after the massive popularity of the Internet?"
Zheng Li nodded and said: "For example, Taobao sellers, courier boys, delivery people, online ride-hailing drivers, social media traffic stars, etc."
Li Miaomiao has been involved in the actual operation and management of enterprises for so many years, and later gained additional theoretical knowledge through an on-the-job master's degree.
She quickly realized the problem with Zheng Li’s point of view: “The positions you proposed are all based on serving individuals.
In other words, the last information revolution mainly created the circulation of information between individuals.
Even at the corporate management level, it is mostly in superficial areas such as information storage and mechanized calculations.
In my opinion, the future industrial Internet will accelerate the flow of data before traditional manufacturing.
I think the job gains will be limited. "
Zheng Li nodded and said, “None of us know what the future will bring.
But I think your guess is right.
Therefore, I also proposed in the afternoon conversation that the social welfare system needs to be improved to protect the basic life of those who are unemployed as a result. "
