The debate between Sima Guang and Lu Huiqing in the Yiying Palace can be said to be intense.
This is completely different from the previous debate between Sima Guang and Wang Anshi in Yanhe Hall.
However, both Sima Guang and Wang Anshi are elders, and they still talk about respectability. All disputes over the lines of increasing revenue and reducing expenditure have not yet been lifted.
But now Wang Anshi has been Prime Minister for more than half a year, and the reform has been implemented for half a year. Controversies about the reform have always existed, and they have become more and more intense. Now the contradiction has become public.
Everyone is completely pissed off.
From the reform struggle, it has risen to the ginseng and cock.
Sima Guang and Lu Huiqing were at loggerheads. When Sima Guang used Xiao Gui and Cao Sui to persuade officials, he never expected that Lu Huiqing would suddenly challenge him.
However, after Lu Huiqing made a calculated and unintentional surprise attack, Sima Guang held his ground and rebutted. It seemed that the two sides were tied, but in fact it was Lu Huiqing who lost.
The official thought that the two of them had agreed.
But Sima Guang took advantage of the situation and launched an attack on Lu Huiqing. He said: "For example, if we live in a house for a long time, we will correct it if the roof leaks, repair the cracked walls, and correct the tilted beams and columns."
"If it's not a big problem, why do we have to tear it down and build another one?"
After listening to Sima Guang's words, Zhang Yue remembered that there were always comments from Biao Hujiang on the forum.
However, what Sima Guang said was that when a person is sick, resting is the best way, and there is no need to take medicine or surgery.
Sima Guang said: "If you want to build another one, you must have good craftsmen and good materials. Now that there are neither good craftsmen nor good materials, the house will be demolished. I'm afraid that one day there won't even be a place to shelter from the wind and rain." No."
"There is a cloud in the hexagrams of the Book of Changes: One's own day is prosperous, Yuan Henry is chaste, and he regrets his death. If there are no four virtues of Yuan Henry and chastity, the law will not change."
Lu Huiqing was not convinced and wanted to argue with Sima Guang again, but the official said: "Okay, let's just argue with each other about right and wrong, why bother."
Seeing that Lu Huiqing was at a disadvantage in the Jingyan debate, other Jingyan ministers like Wang Gui would nod.
Lu Huiqing knew that she was defeated, but her face turned red and she was still trying to organize her thoughts on how to turn defeat into victory.
Seeing that Wang Anshi couldn't hold it any longer, he was about to argue with Sima Guang.
The official had already glanced at Zhang Yue. Zhang Yue was not willing to get involved in this matter. Wouldn't it be better to keep silent and make a fortune?
But the official glanced at him, and this look clearly said, Zhang Qing, what do you think of this? How long will you continue to watch?
Sima Guang is a Hanlin scholar, and Wang Anshi is involved in politics. If they continue to argue in the palace, one of them will definitely leave.
Zhang Yue understood the official's intention and could only do it by himself at this time.
"I have something to say!"
Zhang Yue took a step forward out of the class.
But seeing Sima Guang, Wang Anshi turned his attention to himself. Zhang Yue rarely spoke in Jingyan, so he was undoubtedly inserting himself into the argument between the two, but this time he actually stood up. I don't know. Which side is he on?
Either they are against it, or they are all in favor?
The official's face relaxed and he said slowly: "Qing Zhang, please speak!"
Zhang Yue said: "Your Majesty, the previous debate between Lu Shijiao and Sima Scholar reminded me of my previous discussion with Cheng Hao."
"At that time, he said that there was a second level, just like the phase wheel on the thirteen-level tower. We stood outside the tower and talked about the phase wheel. It was very clear."
"But sometimes, we want to see it more clearly. We go deep into the tower and look for the phase wheel from the bottom of the tower up to the thirteenth level. We still don't see the phase wheel, but we are very close to it. We can reach out and touch the phase wheel. So we can't help but wonder, which one is the real phase wheel?"
When everyone heard Zhang Yue's words, they found it very interesting.
Zhang Yue is different from Sima Guang and Lu Huiqing who talked at length. He usually doesn't speak easily, but when he speaks he hits the point and makes people think deeply.
This is a metaphor for a phase wheel, which is really wonderful.
"I told Cheng Hao that I could see, and what I could tell was the Tao. Cheng Hao said, no, no, when you say it is the Tao, it is no longer the Tao. In the past, Mencius said that Yao and Shun were in nature, and Yao and Shun were Just act out of benevolence and righteousness, not just ordinary words."
"You can understand this Tao without words. I told Cheng Hao that your knowledge is like climbing up a wall, making it difficult to talk and act. Cheng Hao said to me, your knowledge is like catching the wind."
Everyone smiled after hearing this.
In fact, Cheng Hao criticized Wang Anshi in front of Zhang Yue. He said that Wang Anshi was very good at talking, but was what he said was Tao? The true Tao must be practiced physically.
Wang Anshi, Sima Guang, and Lu Huiqing also admired Zhang Yue's eloquence.
The biggest taboo in debating is to overwhelm people with big ideas at the beginning. You should first talk about a principle that is close to people, and then expand on it in detail. This is the secret of a master debater.
Zhang Yue said: "After the debate with Cheng Hao that day, I was unconvinced, so I went back to think about what Tao is. I was thinking that the reason why the court formulated a policy or implemented a deviation was because of the lack of understanding. The Tao, or in other words, the difference between us seeing the phase wheel and touching the phase wheel!"
What Zhang Yue said made the officials almost excited. Zhang Yue's words seemed to have opened up the two channels of Ren and Du.
"For example, the phase wheel we see outside the tower looks like this, but it is not like this when we touch it in our hands. As long as there is a deviation, it means that we do not understand the phase wheel."
"If people in this world want to achieve enlightenment, they must first see the phase wheel and then touch the appearance of the phase wheel."
"Either I touch the phase wheel and then come out to look at the phase wheel. The phase wheel we see and touch is only a part of the phase wheel, so we demand that we know what the phase wheel is like."
In fact, seeing is subjective, touching is objective.
Once the subjective prevails over the objective, it means that one's own cognition exceeds the development of things. To use Cheng Hao's words criticizing Wang Anshi, there are a lot of truths, but they are divorced from the facts.
Then the subjective lags behind the objective, which means that the development of things exceeds one's own understanding. Just like Zhang Yue criticized Cheng Hao, Sima Guang seemed to sit on the sidelines and let things develop, and he was helpless and couldn't do anything.
Only when subjectivity and objectivity are consistent is the correct method.
The official asked: "Then how do you make what you see consistent with what you touch?"
Not only the officials asked this, but everyone also asked this from the bottom of their hearts.
Zhang Yue said: "Listen, listen more, and listen at the same time. You should listen to what the people who see it say and what the people who touch it say. Let the positive and negative attack each other so that you can understand The real phase wheel!”
Zhang Yue's words are very similar to a sentence on the Internet.
A smart person can accept two completely different viewpoints at the same time, and then operate without hindrance in his heart.
This is easy to say, but very difficult to do.
Because everyone has a preset position, even ordinary smart people are no exception. They are either too subjective or too objective.
One only believes what he sees, and the other only believes what he touches.
Therefore, if you can attack both positive and negative, you can eliminate 90% of the people!
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