"That's right." Shinoda Toisho said: "Your interrogation is really an art. Every time you ask and answer, you have already exerted gentle pressure without leaving any trace."
Ichiro Tsuruta smiled, but said with a little regret: "Unfortunately, my judgment still made some mistakes. I thought he was just using this method to cover up his psychology and wanted to die. Because he In fact, deep down in my heart, I know that I may not be able to withstand various punishments in the end.
But I didn't expect that what he actually said was a kind of anti-psychological guidance, and I was fooled. He is actually not afraid of these punishments, but he is afraid that I will not punish him..."
Shinoda Shisan frowned and thought, "What Mr. Tsuruta means is that he broke his legs on his own."
"Yes." Ichiro Tsuruta said: "You and I have seen anti-torture methods, and we have seen many. To put it simply, it is how to allow oneself to have more time to mediate with the interrogator, so as to Keep the secret. But this is only a theoretical fact. It cannot be said that there are no people who can keep the secret in their hearts under various punishments, but there are really too few. "
Shinoda Toisho said: "Yes, physical pain and mental pressure actually have a limit. When the limit of tolerance is reached, as long as you are an individual, you will not be able to stand it."
Tsuruta Ichiro said: "Those who can withstand the punishment will not speak out no matter what in the end. These people have a common characteristic, that is spiritual strength, whether it is the so-called faith in their hearts, or something else Things have made their mental strength extremely powerful, beyond the limits of their physical endurance.
Therefore, how can such a person be tortured, even if his body has completely collapsed? Even with the final prick of a small needle, the other party's body was completely uncontrollable, with tremors, night sweats, and incontinence. However, they just didn't say it. Among those who refuse to open their mouths and resist to the end, the Red Party members account for the vast majority. And the Ou Qingning we are facing now is a member of the Red Party. "
Shinoda Shisan nodded and said, "What does Mr. Tsuruta mean, I'm afraid he may not be able to speak?"
"No." Tsuruta Ichiro said: "What I'm worried about is this method of counter-torture. Didn't you notice? He broke his own two legs and fainted instantly. That was what he wanted to achieve. Fainting. If he dies, we won’t be able to interrogate him.”
Shinoda Toshizo nodded and said: "This is really a big trouble. If this person's physical tolerance is very low and his mental strength is high, then he will faint as soon as his body endures some punishment. It will give Our interrogation has created a very unfavorable situation. At the very least, the time that should have been enough will drag on for a long time, and in the end, it will not be enough."
"That's what I'm worried about." Ichiro Tsuruta said: "The moment he suffered the pain, I even suspected that he was giving himself a very strong signal of belief. He fully believed that his body could not bear it. The pain of short legs. This signal of belief will make his brain, five organs, and every nerve in his body believe it. Therefore, when pain comes, the body's self-protection mechanism will immediately activate and he will faint directly."
Shinoda Toshizo thought for a while and said: "I have indeed heard of this method. In fact, Dezhi once used this kind of training. To increase his sense of belief to resist torture. Rumor has it that some of them can even do it before. Silently, accumulate the pain of torture, and then give yourself a strong signal of belief, making yourself believe that you can no longer bear it and will die.
So, he will really die directly. However, this method is not applicable and cannot be trained in large numbers. It can only be used on a very small number of people with a strong sense of belief. But those who can use it may actually suffer unnecessary casualties during training, so this anti-torture method is abandoned. "
Hearing this, Ichiro Tsuruta looked at Shinoda Toshizo with satisfaction and said: "Very good, Shinoda-kun. He is indeed an excellent and well-informed agent of the empire. However, I seem to have found a way to deal with this kind of person. .”
"Oh?" Shinoda Toshizo said: "Sir Tsuruta, please enlighten me, how do you plan to deal with this Red Party die-hard?"
Tsuruta Ichiro said: "It's very simple. What Mr. Shinoda just said is very good. But I believe that although this red party has the ability in this area, he definitely does not master this method in a systematic way. So just let him not believe it." .Isn’t there a famous theory? It’s called boiling a frog in warm water. When the water is cold, put the frog in the water and heat it little by little to let him adapt. By the time the frog feels hot, it’s actually too late.
And this person's ability to have such a sense of belief is not good. I will let him bear it little by little and use the mildest means to deal with him. Now we still have time. I believe that as long as we open his mouth within two days, we will still gain a lot of money. "
I have to say that Ichiro Tsuruda, an old devil, is indeed very capable. After getting the doctor's report and confirming that there was nothing wrong with the other party, he took Tobi Shinoda to the underground torture room again.
This time, compared to the severe punishment of the tiger bench, Tsuruta Ichiro asked the torturers to use "small means" instead. Little by little, use pliers to pull out all the nails. Then he pinched the pulled out nails and inserted them back into Ou Qingning's hands. Then pull out your hand directly again.
The reason why Ou Qingning used the previous method was to make himself faint. Just because he wanted to delay time. But he also miscalculated one thing, that is, he did not understand the systematic theories of autosuggestion and using his own belief signals. It's like doing math problems, such as linear equations in two variables, he can solve them. However, he did not systematically master the formulas for solving problems. And in this way, when Ichiro Tsuruta was faced with the problem, he was no longer given slightly difficult binary linear or multivariate equations. Moreover, he used the question-sea tactic to ask him to answer questions endlessly.
It was nothing at first, but as time went on, from the morning until ten o'clock in the evening, Ou Qingning really couldn't hold on anymore. Originally, he was confident that as long as the other party made some big moves, he would be able to faint by using his own pain. In order to achieve the purpose of anti-torture.
But now, the punishment is "not severe". It's impossible to say that if your fingernail falls off, you will faint. Even ordinary people may be frightened enough, but it is really impossible to faint directly.
