Among the hotly searched topics, more than one person must have pointed out that Phoenix Fund was bragging.
Almost everyone who knows something about chips knows how difficult it is to establish a chip industry chain!
The chips discussed now are basically the default mobile phone CPU processing chips. Server-side chips are rarely discussed. Because mobile phones are now an electronic device that everyone is closely related to.
First of all, we must understand the gap between China and the semiconductor industry. We have made progress, but it is not just CPU chips that are bad, but also ADC chips, baseband chips, etc. Even the most basic capacitors and resistors in electronic components have gaps.
Anyone in the electronic component business in coastal areas probably knows that high-end electronic components must not be made in China. Its service life is not up to standard. In other words, it is inferior quality. You have to use foreign goods.
Secondly, what is the most desperate thing in the field of chip manufacturing? It is because we lack the tools to design chips (EDA) and the machines to manufacture chips (such as photolithography machines, etc.). As long as engineers are involved in the chip industry, they will probably realize that some key and necessary tools are not available in China.
However, why do so many people point out Phoenix Fund’s mistakes and bragging, but only Ren Zhi’s comments are criticized?
This issue is a bit subtle. Why did no one comment on your post on Moments? And what about some people who simply post a picture and it gets retweeted and liked everywhere? It’s worth pondering!
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After Hua Shan finished handling the company's affairs, she cooked omelettes, poured two glasses of milk, took the tray, and walked barefoot to the beach.
She is 1.76 meters tall and wears a close-fitting champagne-colored off-the-shoulder dress. Her skin becomes increasingly fair and her figure is slender. The face is delicate and bright, very outstanding.
"What news are you reading? Are you smiling so happily?" Hua Shan sat next to Ren Zhi, handed him the milk, and said, "I have consumed a lot in the past few days, so I will give you a supplement."
Ren Zhi has a relatively quiet temperament, but he can't help but retort: "No matter how much you consume, you can satisfy your appetite."
He had done it with Hua Shan, a great beauty, when they were on vacation in Palm Beach, USA. He is a person who pursues perfection. But Huashan is not new. He was quite depressed about this.
Hua Shan said dissatisfied: "I have been studying in the United States since high school. I am 23 years old. How could I not have met a good man? Why do you act like a little boy who has not grown up? I am not your girlfriend. You have no idea. You have no right to interfere in my private affairs."
She was deeply influenced by neoliberal trends.
"Then who are we now?"
"I think you are very good. Moreover, we have been getting along very happily during this period. You want it, and I want it too, so we can be together. You want me to be your girlfriend? I don't necessarily agree. I have to investigate. you."
He and Hua Shan had a bit of a quarrel in Palm Beach. But in the end they reconciled, and he took Hua Shan to Brazil for vacation. Sleeping together every day, we do everything we need to do.
Hua Shan covered her mouth and smiled. She leaned over and looked at Ren Zhi, who was half lying on the beach chair, and whispered, "Don't brag."
Ren Zhi saw her balls, and immediately became "bloody". He held this independent, beautiful girl in his arms and kissed her.
Ten minutes later, Ren Zhi and Hua Shan lay happily in the spacious beach chairs, hugging each other like glue, feeling that their two hearts were connected. The taste of love is very sweet. Only then did we talk about the topic just now.
Ren Zhi said complacently: "I can't stand the way Phoenix Fund is bragging. I posted comments on Weibo to scold them and won a round of applause. Hehe."
"Let me see."
Ren Zhi turned on his phone and looked at it with Hua Shan, "Oh, someone @ me."
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In the presidential suite of the Atlantis Hotel, Jing Gao was sitting on the sofa in the living room. He felt very unhappy when he saw the comment "Let me go 1911" which was very popular and a legitimate guest.
First of all, the Phoenix Fund's "release" to Handong Provincial Station must be bragging about it. This is customary. As a result, people are now picking them out one by one, rubbing them on the ground, and finding faults.
He was unhappy. Could it be that he is emotional when writing online comments and has no scruples in scolding people? He knows that. But this is the first time this has happened. After all, he has never written an Internet article, but only watched Internet article authors get scolded.
Damn it, I don’t brag about goals or feelings in the press release. Do I have to go into details bit by bit? Then why should I go to the provincial station? Do you see it? Wouldn't it be good if I opened a post in a well-known community to talk to you?
Secondly, he really doesn't like this "reasonable guest" tone. This is purely a methodological problem.
According to the materialist methodology, things need to be viewed dialectically. There is a good side and a bad side. But in the end, we have to give a general conclusion, how much is good and bad! These so-called "reasonable guests" appear to be rational, neutral, and objective, but in fact they magnify the bad side and then draw a conclusion.
The most typical one is the "China collapse theory."
There are also some "reasonable guests" who are not very high-level and say directly: Don't just because so-and-so is a professor, what he said is right.
What is the subtext of this sentence? You have to listen to my analysis! So, your analysis is better than other professors? Not necessarily? It is just taking advantage of the rebellious psychology of online readers towards "professors" and "authority". But some people really like this.
Whether a thing is analyzed well or not should not be judged based on one’s personal identity, right? But it depends on the specific analysis logic and deconstruction!
As a result, your methodology and logical structure cannot even be touched by Professor Shen. He also wrote on Bihu without shame: "I am very happy to have dozens of likes. There are always some people who think independently and do not follow what others say."
You call nonsense "independent thinking"?
Jing Gao is now very disgusted with this "Let Me Go 1911". We must recognize the gap between China's chip industry and the beautiful country. But what was your final conclusion? That's why it can't be done! We have to ask the beautiful country to sell us the equipment.
You are fucking calcium deficient!
I like kneeling so much.
Jing Gao replied directly on his mobile phone: "Why can't we build a lithography machine? You ate the lithography machine of Modu Microelectronics."
Ren Woxing 1911: "I'm talking about high-end lithography machines. The most advanced lithography machine of Modu Microelectronics is 90nm, and Asmail's lithography machine has now reached 7nm and 5nm."
Eat grapes without spitting out grape skins 233: "How long has Asmail been making lithography machines? How many years has China been making lithography machines? Why do you conclude that we will not be able to make high-end lithography machines in five or ten years? Is that true? Doesn’t the gap allow us to catch up?”
This is Jing Gao's number. He did not certify a "Phoenix Fund Chairman" or anything like that on his meager account.
Ren Woxing 1911: "Haha, this is funny. Do you know how many parts a lithography machine has? Fifty thousand! Go and solve the problem yourself! How long will it take? Asmail's technology will stop at the same place and not progress. ?
Now is the era of globalization and the division of labor in the global industrial chain. Every country and every company has its own unique skills to make profits.
The modern chip industry has a mature industry chain, monopolized by several companies. As a newcomer to the Sanwu Fund, how much time does Phoenix Fund plan to spend catching up with the system that others have established through marketization over the past 20 to 30 years? "
Eat grapes without spitting out grape skins 233: “Phoenix Fund has said it, don’t be afraid of losing money. Go for it with all your strength.”
Ren Woxing 1911: "Brother, are you here to be funny? This is a technical field, and the laws of physics must be understood, which cannot be solved by just talking here. Is this a loss? Others have a first-mover advantage. , just can’t catch up.
Let me give you an example. Do you know what the talent gap is in our country in integrated circuits? The most preliminary estimate was 200,000 people.
The chip industry chain goes through at least more than 40 links, from tool and IP selection to different module design, manufacturing, packaging and testing. This involves materials, physics, chemistry, mechanics, optics, computers, radio, software and other subjects.
In 2009, my country approved a total of 20 universities such as Beijing University of Technology as integrated circuit talent training base construction units. So far, integrated circuits are still under the subject of electronic science and technology. It is not a first-level subject.
Do the math for yourself, how many years of training will it take for us to fill this gap. Think about it for yourself, to what extent will human technology have improved in ten or twenty years?
To sum up, do you think we can still catch up? Phoenix Fund is obviously bragging. What are you echoing? "
Jing Gao felt angry and entered with flying fingers. Eat grapes without spitting out grape skins 233: "I admit the gap, but I never think we should give up catching up. Moreover, there is an obvious loophole in your argument. Asmail's technology will continue to improve.
It has already reached 5nm, how far can its cutting-edge technology progress? 1nm? From what I've read, Moore's Law is broken in this area. This is originally a law summarized by humans, not an objective law like physics.
Moreover, according to your argument, the country with the first-mover advantage will always remain in the lead? Not necessarily! History clearly tells us that during the Second Industrial Revolution, Germany's industrial output caught up with Britain's.
The most typical example is who planted the mushroom eggs first. So which company has the best technology for clearing bombs and maintaining combat readiness? It seems to be from the Rabbit family.
Therefore, there is no such thing as what you said, the country that moves first will always have an advantage. You judge the outlook to be pessimistic. I think it's bright.
Because, after all, technical problems still have to be solved by people. Ultimately, this is a people problem. And the Chinese people’s intelligence is not inferior to anyone else’s! We have proven it in history and we will continue to prove it! "
Ren Woxing 1911: "Speechless. I discuss technical issues with you, and you discuss human issues with me. What? If you can't explain it, you bring my IQ to the same level as yours, and then use your rich experience to defeat me?"
Do you think the chip industry can just build a photolithography machine and be done with it? Let me tell you, there are many places that are lagging behind..."
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As soon as Jing Gao saw the reply from "Let Me Go 1911", he felt that there was no need to continue. Because this person has an obvious flaw: technical problems are technical problems.
Why don't you talk nonsense?
Japan's semiconductor technology defeated the beautiful country in the past, but how did the beautiful country kill its semiconductor companies in the end? Defeated with technology? Do you want to be so childish?
When it comes to technical issues involving national security, strategy, and interests, this is never a purely technical issue. Of course, in terms of photolithography machine technology, it does not mean that flower growers want to develop Asmail's technology.
His point of view is very clear. The top lithography machine technology is stagnating, and now is a good time to catch up. As for, how difficult can it be to emphasize the difficulties in manufacturing chips? Is it harder than two bombs and one star? Is it more difficult than China to complete industrialization? More difficult than building an aircraft carrier?
Who are you scaring?
Facing the sea, in the dead of winter. Jing Gao remembered the chairman's teachings: Let them say, we can't do this, and we can't do that either! The Chinese people's indomitable efforts will surely achieve their goals!
Jing Gao called Guan Guan.
He wants to build a photolithography machine.
He doesn't believe in that evil.
